PVC under slab to Island?

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Originally posted by jimwalker:
We all read the nec a bit differently and arive at different opinions as to what it said.If the answers were black and white we would have 1 question and 1 answer
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Your right Jim, this particular issue is a real head scratcher. :D

Article 100

Location, Wet.

Installations under ground or in concrete slabs or masonry in direct contact with the earth; in locations subject to saturation with water or other liquids, such as vehicle washing areas; and in unprotected locations exposed to weather.
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There are a million ways to read that..... :D

Jim, opinions are great, we all have them. :cool: All I am suggesting is that sometimes look at the NEC before you hit the "Add Reply" button.

This wet location issue is black and white, there is no gray area, a quick look at the NEC and you would have seen that.

Bob

[ March 15, 2005, 06:43 PM: Message edited by: iwire ]
 
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In your 2nd post you were telling us the slab was a dry location because of the poly implying that the PVC was also in this dry location.

Then later you admit it is in contact with the earth meeting the definition here.

NEC-2005 100-Definitions.
Location, Wet. Installations under ground or in concrete slabs or masonry in direct contact with the earth; in locations subject to saturation with water or other liquids, such as vehicle washing areas; and in unprotected locations exposed to weather.
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So, when you read the first word, "Installations" how do you interpret the rest of the paragraph?

Roger
 
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posted March 17, 2004 07:46 PM
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"I called an inspector to roll an inspection a day,he told me that he wanted to give me a heads up on something.The Chief is going to require all nm in underslabs ( residential here) to be in UF.Why was the first words out of my mouth,The pipe is in a wet location. I haven~t had the time today to search through the nec but what1s wrong with this picture........911
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From pulling up a year ago post by Allen i see that the county was aware of this practice of using nm.Why if it is crystal clear did it take them a year to deside to enforce this ?Seems i was not the the only one confused.After reading 300.5 d5 i do see my error.
 
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I think it is awesome that the county would issue a letter regarding their oversight, and giving fair warning that it will not be overlooked any more.

I hope that AHJ's reading this will take this example into consideration, when a discovery is made.

I've been here a short time, but after my discovery regarding this issue it has come up a few more times, suprising everyone who walks in the door. That it's overlooked is common, but not intentionally, as has been hinted at by some others here. It's just hidden in plain sight.

To discredit it as unimportant is tragic. If noone noticed 310.16, would it be safe to put a #14 on a 100 amp breaker? No. Would the "passing" house be the proof that it's safe? Sillyness.
 
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"It's just hidden in plain sight."

George
Better words could not describe some situations. :D

Total of 7,996 posts between them - !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ March 15, 2005, 10:02 PM: Message edited by: pierre ]
 
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Originally posted by pierre:

Total of 7,996 posts between them - !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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People who talk that much should have nick names such as ?ratchet jaw? or ?motor mouth?. I got a parrot that don?t talk that much!!!
 
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Both of you guys, stop that before someone ge.,.,
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[ March 15, 2005, 10:14 PM: Message edited by: physis ]
 
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Jim your company if have pulled permits within this particular county has recieved this letter,If you like i will scan and send it to you via email.uf/use type wire is on the top of the letter along with all receptacles being gfci protected in a garage even freezer receps unless the appliance is there on final and all homes with a side entrance as main entry will have a wp recep within 3 ft of furthestmost point of home to comply with required wp gfci receps. :)
 
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Originally posted by jwelectric:
Originally posted by pierre:

Total of 7,996 posts between them - !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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People who talk that much should have nick names such as ?ratchet jaw? or ?motor mouth?. I got a parrot that don?t talk that much!!!
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I think it would have to be "ratchet fingers" or "motor digits". ;)

Bob
 
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