Question about rods at poles

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No we all know or most of us agree that rods at poles are pretty much useless. With that being said I have a job where the specs are requesting is. What the want me to do is put a hand hole box at each light. My question is can I share the same conduit with branch cuts and now a GEC or do I need to run r seprate pipes from the hand hole to my pole

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It's an argument that were not going to win and I really don't feel like arguing about it. There paying for it so it is what it is. I could not find anything about sharing the same conduit

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nickelec said:
It's an argument that were not going to win and I really don't feel like arguing about it. There paying for it so it is what it is. I could not find anything about sharing the same conduit

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When dealing with a specification requirement that is itself not justified by physics or code, do not look only to code for details on how to do it! :)

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nickelec said:
No we all know or most of us agree that rods at poles are pretty much useless. With that being said I have a job where the specs are requesting is. What the want me to do is put a hand hole box at each light. My question is can I share the same conduit with branch cuts and now a GEC or do I need to run r seprate pipes from the hand hole to my pole

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I would install the ground rod in the handhole and use the same conduit into the pole for the branch circuit and the ground from the rod.
You still need the equipment ground with the branch circuit feeding the pole.
 
The EGC is required to run with the branch circuit. A ground rod cannot substitute for an EGC.

The ground rod is not required by code, just by spec.

The question is how this ground rod should be connected to the pole. I'll leave this OP question for everyone else; I'm still of the opinion that an EGC should be permitted to function as a GEC but that was dealt with in the 2011 code cycle :) I was just answering Bob V's point.

-Jon
 
I am definitely installing an EGC with the branch circuit. My question pretty much was is the GEC allowed to be in the same conduit as those branch circuits. The whole rod and egc is completely ridiculous but whatever they pay for they get

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Arguably these are 'auxiliary grounding electrodes' which are not required by code. These are permitted to connect to an EGC, rather than a conductor that meets the requirements of a GEC. IMHO they could go into the handhole and connect to the pole via the EGC.

If the specs require a larger conductor between pole and rod, it would still be an EGC, following the rules for EGCs.

-Jon
 
winnie said:
Arguably these are 'auxiliary grounding electrodes' which are not required by code. These are permitted to connect to an EGC, rather than a conductor that meets the requirements of a GEC. IMHO they could go into the handhole and connect to the pole via the EGC.

If the specs require a larger conductor between pole and rod, it would still be an EGC, following the rules for EGCs.

-Jon
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Sounds right to me.
 
The title made me think the rods, pole, and perch.
5 1⁄2 yards..........sorry mods, just a bit of levity............:D
 
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