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There has been some discussion lately about 120/240 high leg delta's.
Working down town today ran across this.
No marking what so ever on the panel. Right next to it on the floor was 240 to 120/208 three phase transformer.
 

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No marking what so ever on the panel.
Except for the sticker?
Right next to it on the floor was 240 to 120/208 three phase transformer.
I personally think those 280Y/120 are a waste of money in a 240V facility. They are great of course when you have 480Y/277 incoming, but total waste @240.

240 is a better 3 phase voltage for motors and also very compatible with modern LED lighting.
I would just set a single phase 120/240 panel next to the 240 delta panel for the 120V loads.
EDIT the only real gotchya with 240 delta is getting 2 pole straight rated breakers for single phase 240 loads, like small motors and lighting
 
Except for the sticker?

I personally think those 280Y/120 are a waste of money in a 240V facility. They are great of course when you have 480Y/277 incoming, but total waste @240.

240 is a better 3 phase voltage for motors and also very compatible with modern LED lighting.
I would just set a single phase 120/240 panel next to the 240 delta panel for the 120V loads.
EDIT the only real gotchya with 240 delta is getting 2 pole straight rated breakers for single phase 240 loads, like small motors and lighting
Just buy a three pole and grab two legs. Balancing as you go, of course
 
Posted the wrong pic of sticker. That one was the single phase panel that was feed from three phase.
The sticker on the 120/240 three phase said 120/208.
 

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From right to left. Wire way set above all equipment
120/240 single phase panel main lug
120/208 three phase panel main lug
100 amp disconnect 240 volt three phase four wire.
Note: no GEC to trans or disc.
They used the EGC.
240 delta volt to 120/208 wye three phase trans.
120/240 volt three phase four wire panel.

When I opened the cover to the 120/240 three phase panel. The breaker arrangement stuck out and then I looked closer. The fact there was no panel filler only helped me look closer.

No marking on out side or inside other factory labels. The fact the 120/240 had 120/208 factory sticker made me wonder did they use the right breakers and so on.
The three pole feed transformer
The two pole feeds the 120/240 single phase panle.

The factory sticker does say 2006 which corresponds with a remodel that was done and inspected. So the install was not an after thought.

I'm going to ask to see the plans and submittals for the project. Maybe an installation mistake.
The whole service was rework with all new upgraded panels. Maybe just wrong cover on panel interior. Still should be labeled correctly.
 
Interesting that the panel has a factory warning concerning hi-leg installations
 
Interesting that the panel has a factory warning concerning hi-leg installations
Because that is a standard label, the custom portion in the center is only factory filled in when specially ordered. Can't speak so much for Eaton products but Square D is this way. Most what I get will be from stock and won't have any custom information, just the 240 volt maximum ratings and similar warnings about when used for delta with or without a high leg. If you want it to actually be marked 208/120Y you generally need to special order it and not buy it from stock.
 
The plot thickens.
Removed panle covers and confirmed it's a 240 high leg. The high leg is marked blue with yellow, Installed 2006.
Found new panel for a more resent remodel that is 120/208 three phase with all single pole breakers.
Checked main service and it is a even newer 2020 MDP.
Can not find transformer for the newer 2020 120/208 three phase panel. Ummm.
Time to open that one up and take a look.
 

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Do I think this panel is ok, yes.
Just wanting to point out as we work on building what items one should look for and not assume. Other than the missing breakers on B phase one may assume it's 120/208 since that is the only marking in the panel.
Now the breakers installed that's another matter.
 

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The plot thickens.
Removed panle covers and confirmed it's a 240 high leg. The high leg is marked blue with yellow, Installed 2006.
Found new panel for a more resent remodel that is 120/208 three phase with all single pole breakers.
Checked main service and it is a even newer 2020 MDP.
Can not find transformer for the newer 2020 120/208 three phase panel. Ummm.
Time to open that one up and take a look.
I find it hard to believe there wouldn't be some sort of barrier between each of the main lugs also, unless those were not factory installed or did not use proper main lugs kit of some sort.
 
Hers a good one from the old MDP still in use.
Shame shame.
Whether that is proper might depend on exactly what you are supplying. If they using two breakers without handle tie to supply a three pole circuit, that is wrong. If they are supplying a unit that is intended to be supplied by two circuits there may not be anything wrong at all. See a lot of air handlers with heat strips that require more than one circuit to supply them.
 
The two breakers feed a 3- phase A/C unit for dinning.
The way it was labeled entry heat. At one time I bet you were correct.
Since been change over to gas heat with new units.

That is good information to add, thank you
 
Found this panel as well.
It's a 120/240 three phase four wire with one, two and three pole breakers.
Just hard to believe some one would do this.
The buss was reworked o accommodate what you see.
As you go down from top a lot of A then C,A and C untill not needed any more. Where the buss cross bars where removed for an top A-C they put in blanks and used the lower section ABC for three phase.
I guess there thinking out side the box.
Just mind blowing.
 

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Found this panel as well.
It's a 120/240 three phase four wire with one, two and three pole breakers.
Just hard to believe some one would do this.
The buss was reworked o accommodate what you see.
As you go down from top a lot of A then C,A and C untill not needed any more. Where the buss cross bars where removed for an top A-C they put in blanks and used the lower section ABC for three phase.
I guess there thinking out side the box.
Just mind blowing.
Decades ago, I used to order Square D NQO and NQOB factory assembled panels where they would only provide bus connections to A and C in part of the panel, like standard 1 phase, and the A, B, and C phases in the rest of the panel. I got to tell them how many of each I wanted.
 
Decades ago, I used to order Square D NQO and NQOB factory assembled panels where they would only provide bus connections to A and C in part of the panel, like standard 1 phase, and the A, B, and C phases in the rest of the panel. I got to tell them how many of each I wanted.
Still can custom order bus arrangement with NQ. I had one a couple years ago that wasn't what I wanted because of a misunderstanding when my sales rep entered the order. I wondered why it was taking so long for it to arrive when they usually just send me stock items for panels similar to what I wanted and let you assemble the panelboard in the field. I wanted a three phase panel with main breaker and with feed through lugs. He called me back at one point and asked if this was going on a high leg system, I said yes - that is where the confusion started. He ended up ordering it with all spaces as "120 volt prepared spaces" which told Square D - we need three phase bus with main breaker and sub feed lugs, but need A and C phase only for the branch breakers. I could not plug/bolt on a three pole breaker and get all three phases in that panel. only main and sub feed lugs had B phase bus connection.

I could have rearranged breaker connection links in field, but did not have any for connecting to the B phase bus anyway so that didn't matter.
 
When you did that how did you lable panel. By that I mean
120/240 high leg
no three pole connection.
Just seams like a bad idea to me.
However the feed thru lug may feed an additional panle with three phase loads.
I can see that if set side by side
Using a single feeder.
If so did you drop the netural to the second one. Assuming the feed thu lugs went to another panle.
Interesting set up.
 
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