Rebuilding New Orleans
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jeff43222
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Re: Rebuilding New Orleans
Nope. I have more than enough to keep me busy in my own neighborhood.
Nope. I have more than enough to keep me busy in my own neighborhood.
mdshunk
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Re: Rebuilding New Orleans
If I was single, I'd have my bags packed. Chasing storm work is not the best thing for a married man to be doing. There will be plenty of help, though. Some guys love to do post disaster construction. I saw an ad on another message board from a power line company that had their entire gas-stop schedule for the trip from their New England office to New Orleans posted. You were instructed to meet them at whatever stop you could, and tag along with their convoy if you wanted to work for them. They've got it down to a science almost.
If I was single, I'd have my bags packed. Chasing storm work is not the best thing for a married man to be doing. There will be plenty of help, though. Some guys love to do post disaster construction. I saw an ad on another message board from a power line company that had their entire gas-stop schedule for the trip from their New England office to New Orleans posted. You were instructed to meet them at whatever stop you could, and tag along with their convoy if you wanted to work for them. They've got it down to a science almost.
jimwalker
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Re: Rebuilding New Orleans
From whats being told on news and internet it sounds like New Orleans has nothing left.I remember back to Andrew , a friend of mine went to Homestead ,but came back in a few weeks.He simply couldn't deal with the lack of service and facilities.Would be great if those that are singles perhaps try to help out.Check first to see whats available for housing while your there.There might not even be any campgrounds.
From whats being told on news and internet it sounds like New Orleans has nothing left.I remember back to Andrew , a friend of mine went to Homestead ,but came back in a few weeks.He simply couldn't deal with the lack of service and facilities.Would be great if those that are singles perhaps try to help out.Check first to see whats available for housing while your there.There might not even be any campgrounds.
Re: Rebuilding New Orleans
Well,most of the people that lived there at one time,gone and will never return.
Which is another question.
If you leave by bus,is the government responsible to provide you with a all expense payed trip back to where they found you?
Or is it at the expence of the evacuees,to return to their original location, the best way they can?
Edit to add: Most of the exsisting housing will have been under water for 2-3 months.They will need to be bull-dozed to the ground..Totally uninhabitable.
[ September 03, 2005, 04:39 PM: Message edited by: dillon3c ]
Well,most of the people that lived there at one time,gone and will never return.
Which is another question.
If you leave by bus,is the government responsible to provide you with a all expense payed trip back to where they found you?
Or is it at the expence of the evacuees,to return to their original location, the best way they can?
Edit to add: Most of the exsisting housing will have been under water for 2-3 months.They will need to be bull-dozed to the ground..Totally uninhabitable.
[ September 03, 2005, 04:39 PM: Message edited by: dillon3c ]
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Re: Rebuilding New Orleans
How about we save the dieing before worrying about the bill?
[ September 03, 2005, 04:37 PM: Message edited by: iwire ]
How about we save the dieing before worrying about the bill?
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jimwalker
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Re: Rebuilding New Orleans
I think the reason they left by bus was because there cars got destroyed.But will they want to return ? There house and jobs are most likely gone too.Homestead had a serious problem for a few years.Many just grabbed the insurance money and abandoned the property.For some it was a dream come true,they finally managed to sell.It did do wonders for that town in cleaning up some buildings that needed condemed.Many will find they can not rebuild what they once had with the new codes being applied.We have yet to hear from a friend that lived in New Orleans.Really sad to see so many lives destroyed
I think the reason they left by bus was because there cars got destroyed.But will they want to return ? There house and jobs are most likely gone too.Homestead had a serious problem for a few years.Many just grabbed the insurance money and abandoned the property.For some it was a dream come true,they finally managed to sell.It did do wonders for that town in cleaning up some buildings that needed condemed.Many will find they can not rebuild what they once had with the new codes being applied.We have yet to hear from a friend that lived in New Orleans.Really sad to see
so many lives destroyed
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I must have missed that part, my bad.
Re: Rebuilding New Orleans
No Employment, as the resisdents knew it.I don't know the amount of large construction going on in City before devastation.
But did see some T-Cranes in the distant on TV, in the downtown area.
Return, most will not..Construction, can't see it not having a impact,jobs abound.
Living conditions, going to be questionable..
[ September 03, 2005, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: dillon3c ]
Well,point being,
No Employment, as the resisdents knew it.I don't know the amount of large construction going on in City before devastation.
But did see some T-Cranes in the distant on TV, in the downtown area.
Return, most will not..Construction, can't see it not having a impact,jobs abound.
Living conditions, going to be questionable..
[ September 03, 2005, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: dillon3c ]
Re: Rebuilding New Orleans
Oh, by the way.
If I offended anyone.I 'm truely sorry.
From my understanding this morning,people where leaving the superdome @ rate of 200 persons every ten (10) minutes.
@ time of my checking into situation by TV.
It was said to be just 1200 to 1500 people left @ superdome.
Leads me to believe that recovery,may be @ hand..
dillon
[ September 03, 2005, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: dillon3c ]
Oh, by the way.
If I offended anyone.I 'm truely sorry.
From my understanding this morning,people where leaving the superdome @ rate of 200 persons every ten (10) minutes.
@ time of my checking into situation by TV.
It was said to be just 1200 to 1500 people left @ superdome.
Leads me to believe that recovery,may be @ hand..
dillon
[ September 03, 2005, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: dillon3c ]
Re: Rebuilding New Orleans
It is a tragedy what has happened or better said a catastrophe. The firm I work with has inquired with several companies about rebuilding and/or repair. Sadly most we have talked too, other than one pipeline, are going to sell off to the insurance companies and rebuild elsewhere.
It is a tragedy what has happened or better said a catastrophe. The firm I work with has inquired with several companies about rebuilding and/or repair. Sadly most we have talked too, other than one pipeline, are going to sell off to the insurance companies and rebuild elsewhere.
Re: Rebuilding New Orleans
I used to work in So. Louisiana and Miss.when I worked the rigs, and it is heartbreaking to see the suffering that the locals are going through. I now live on the TX Gulf Coast and can only pray that we don't see this kind of tragedy again.I think the best way to help would be to stay out of the way and donate cash to the Red Cross. As tragic as it is now, I know that with some time and a little help the area will come back stronger than ever. It's the American way.
I used to work in So. Louisiana and Miss.when I worked the rigs, and it is heartbreaking to see the suffering that the locals are going through. I now live on the TX Gulf Coast and can only pray that we don't see this kind of tragedy again.I think the best way to help would be to stay out of the way and donate cash to the Red Cross. As tragic as it is now, I know that with some time and a little help the area will come back stronger than ever. It's the American way.
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I hope members are not afraid to discuss this, as it's not taboo. It's in the news, it's here, we're all going through our own perceptions of the events, and we shouldn't feel guilty discussing our opinions and seeking others'.
My question: Should it be rebuilt?
The former mayor of New Orleans has subtly rendered his opinion on the matter, in interviews on CNN. He said that the city has a lot of history, he named some landmarks, and stated it will be rebuilt.
Having a city below flood plain at the edge of the ocean just boggles my mind. I'm curious what others think. I wonder if this devastating event will prompt building on higher ground.
We think like construction workers, but let's face facts. The storm didn't destroy the homes of thousands of construction workers. It destroyed the homes and jobs of fast-food workers, clerks, gas station attendants, computer programmers, and other careers. The jobs that the storm created are not going to be gobbled up by the refugees.
I can't see a majority of them returning to New Orleans for a long time.
This is just so enormous and terrible in it's scale, it defies imagination. I can't picture it, even with the media's help. I've lived in Colorado most my life, I've never seen the effects of a hurricane firsthand. We've had floods that have been serious, but it's hard to take that experience and multiply it. It's hard to see what we see on TV and picture a recovery.
I hope members are not afraid to discuss this, as it's not taboo. It's in the news, it's here, we're all going through our own perceptions of the events, and we shouldn't feel guilty discussing our opinions and seeking others'.
My question: Should it be rebuilt?
The former mayor of New Orleans has subtly rendered his opinion on the matter, in interviews on CNN. He said that the city has a lot of history, he named some landmarks, and stated it will be rebuilt.
Having a city below flood plain at the edge of the ocean just boggles my mind. I'm curious what others think. I wonder if this devastating event will prompt building on higher ground.
I believe the ramifications of this event are still off the horizon. I can envision a massive burden on social programs because of this disaster. I believe that a lot of money is going to be spent to rebuild the infrastructure of their city.
We think like construction workers, but let's face facts. The storm didn't destroy the homes of thousands of construction workers. It destroyed the homes and jobs of fast-food workers, clerks, gas station attendants, computer programmers, and other careers. The jobs that the storm created are not going to be gobbled up by the refugees.
I can't see a majority of them returning to New Orleans for a long time.
This is just so enormous and terrible in it's scale, it defies imagination. I can't picture it, even with the media's help. I've lived in Colorado most my life, I've never seen the effects of a hurricane firsthand. We've had floods that have been serious, but it's hard to take that experience and multiply it. It's hard to see what we see on TV and picture a recovery.
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What about San Francisco? Should we abandon all the cities that are on fault lines? What about abandoning tornado alley? Ain't gonna happen is it? I consider New Orleans to be a lot more than just historical, it is one of the nations largest ports, it is a hub for a huge percentage of imported goods as well as crude oil. A city of this strategic importance has to be rebuilt, no doubt about it. It has to be rebuilt with a bigger and better levee system, and a better evacuation plan.
william runkle
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Re: Rebuilding New Orleans
For most of us using this forum are not licensed in Louisianna so helping out to wire there is going to be a challenge ask the Florida Contractors if they allow out of state Electrical Contractors to work after Charlie and Ivan. But the best 2 things to do right now is to make a donation to a company such as Mervyn's they are giving dollar for dollar to the red cross so you basically double your donation. The second thing to do is pray for the people in charge that they will have wisdom and honesty in using these funds wisely to rebuild this city as it is part of this great country when one hurts we all hurt.
For most of us using this forum are not licensed in Louisianna so helping out to wire there is going to be a challenge ask the Florida Contractors if they allow out of state Electrical Contractors to work after Charlie and Ivan. But the best 2 things to do right now is to make a donation to a company such as Mervyn's they are giving dollar for dollar to the red cross so you basically double your donation. The second thing to do is pray for the people in charge that they will have wisdom and honesty in using these funds wisely to rebuild this city as it is part of this great country when one hurts we all hurt.
jimwalker
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Re: Rebuilding New Orleans
They may not allow contractors from out of state but it's safe to say they are hiring soon as rebuilding can start.Did hear that my friend is safe but his parents are in texas shelter.They don't think the house servived.
They may not allow contractors from out of state but it's safe to say they are hiring soon as rebuilding can start.Did hear that my friend is safe but his parents are in texas shelter.They don't think the house servived.
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I started this thread and I hope I don't come across as being greedy or insensitive. I agree with what someone else said. New Orleans will be re built because of it's importance as a port, it's importance to the oil industry, because of it's history and because it would be a big black eye on the Bush administration if the didn't rebuild it. I do believe he would be the first president to totally loose a whole major city.
Now from what I have heard on various news sources, officials knew that if a storm of magnitude greater than a 3 came through or even if a category 3 made a direct hit on New Orleans the city was gone. New Orleans officials had been begging congress for money to strengthen the levys for 20 years of more.
Now if the folks knew that one day thisb could happen, our goverment being what it is some body has looked at some sattelite pictures of that area and said, if we could clean out these areas then we could make them so high dollar ocean front real estate.
Some architect or firm somewhere is drawing what the new, new orleans will be. Laying out the whole city aside from some of the older historically significant portions.
I heard on the news the first day of the flood that home depot and walmart had brought workers into the area right after the flood so that as soon as they could re open there stores they would have staff there to man them. In the same news cast I heard that georgia pacific started running their drywall production plants full till when they saw what was about to happen.
I have a feeling the big companies and the unions will swoop down on the place and much of the work will be done by union labor which will make it tough on the little guy.
I think that there is no question that it will be rebuilt. I also think that the new new orleans will not have a lot of residents that aren't financially well to do. Not that they will all be rich. There just wont be a lot of poor folks there. Which is why some of the poorer folks that are there arent trying to leave.
Nuff politics.
As it concerns this board sure there are other electricians in the affected states. They were busy working before this happened just like we all were. There are whole entire complete citys to be rebuilt in those areas.
And I mean everything electrical from the pole.
Well really everything from he substation. But most of us only deal with from the pole and through the building.
Those electricians that lived there, and I don't mean to make light of them, at best their trucks, their tools, their shops are under water if they are lucky. It could be out in the gulf.
And for real... some of them could be calling some of you/us looking for work in the upcoming weeks.
Point being, while there needs to be a suitable period of time to pass to let the importance and the magnitude of the situation to sink, to mourn the losses and to have an appreciation for what has happened....
I am married. And I am pondering moving even though my wife wouldn't be able to find a job for awhile.
My hesitation is it will be an organizational night mare, finding help and organizing a company unless you bring a whole company with you would be a night mare.
Getting supplies would be a night mare. Just night mare after night mare and I could be real comfortable wiring the big barnes (8,000 sq ft +) house that I do now.
But on the other hand, where's your/ my sense of adventure and somebodies going to rebuild that city, Biloxi and the other cities and areas that were destroyed. The smaller contractors can leave it to the big companies to hire $20/hr wire pullers and get fantastically rich. Or some of the not so large contractors can look into things and make it so that maybe some of the work can be spread around.
In reality I think that the enourmity of things maybe so large that electricians might have to rotated in in waves to rebuild there and still be able to maintain what they had going at home before this happened.
I could be wrong...
I started this thread and I hope I don't come across as being greedy or insensitive. I agree with what someone else said. New Orleans will be re built because of it's importance as a port, it's importance to the oil industry, because of it's history and because it would be a big black eye on the Bush administration if the didn't rebuild it. I do believe he would be the first president to totally loose a whole major city.
Now from what I have heard on various news sources, officials knew that if a storm of magnitude greater than a 3 came through or even if a category 3 made a direct hit on New Orleans the city was gone. New Orleans officials had been begging congress for money to strengthen the levys for 20 years of more.
Now if the folks knew that one day thisb could happen, our goverment being what it is some body has looked at some sattelite pictures of that area and said, if we could clean out these areas then we could make them so high dollar ocean front real estate.
Some architect or firm somewhere is drawing what the new, new orleans will be. Laying out the whole city aside from some of the older historically significant portions.
I heard on the news the first day of the flood that home depot and walmart had brought workers into the area right after the flood so that as soon as they could re open there stores they would have staff there to man them. In the same news cast I heard that georgia pacific started running their drywall production plants full till when they saw what was about to happen.
I have a feeling the big companies and the unions will swoop down on the place and much of the work will be done by union labor which will make it tough on the little guy.
I think that there is no question that it will be rebuilt. I also think that the new new orleans will not have a lot of residents that aren't financially well to do. Not that they will all be rich. There just wont be a lot of poor folks there. Which is why some of the poorer folks that are there arent trying to leave.
Nuff politics.
As it concerns this board sure there are other electricians in the affected states. They were busy working before this happened just like we all were. There are whole entire complete citys to be rebuilt in those areas.
And I mean everything electrical from the pole.
Well really everything from he substation. But most of us only deal with from the pole and through the building.
Those electricians that lived there, and I don't mean to make light of them, at best their trucks, their tools, their shops are under water if they are lucky. It could be out in the gulf.
And for real... some of them could be calling some of you/us looking for work in the upcoming weeks.
Point being, while there needs to be a suitable period of time to pass to let the importance and the magnitude of the situation to sink, to mourn the losses and to have an appreciation for what has happened....
I am married. And I am pondering moving even though my wife wouldn't be able to find a job for awhile.
My hesitation is it will be an organizational night mare, finding help and organizing a company unless you bring a whole company with you would be a night mare.
Getting supplies would be a night mare. Just night mare after night mare and I could be real comfortable wiring the big barnes (8,000 sq ft +) house that I do now.
But on the other hand, where's your/ my sense of adventure and somebodies going to rebuild that city, Biloxi and the other cities and areas that were destroyed. The smaller contractors can leave it to the big companies to hire $20/hr wire pullers and get fantastically rich. Or some of the not so large contractors can look into things and make it so that maybe some of the work can be spread around.
In reality I think that the enourmity of things maybe so large that electricians might have to rotated in in waves to rebuild there and still be able to maintain what they had going at home before this happened.
I could be wrong...
hardworkingstiff
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Re: Rebuilding New Orleans
My answer is "not the way it was". The convention center and ports in the higher ground, yes. The flooded area, forget it.
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