receptacle behind dishwasher, 'accessible?'

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kylelee said:
well . As I saw before that kind dishwasher is very special one, I know the normal one is beside the sink, but this one is right underneath the sink for saving space. And it's from Europe


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Must be a mighty small dishwasher or a huge sink cabinet with sink 4 or 5 feet high.
 
kwired said:
My guess, it was done to make the "disconnecting means" more readily accessible and not because the receptacle as a general rule needs to be more accessible.

I can't recall ever putting the receptacle behind the DW, and rarely ever seen it put there. Just bad design decision even if it was allowed IMO.
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I've seen it done when the dishwasher is not located next to the sink base, where the receptacle would usually be located.
 
Leespark57 said:
I've seen it done when the dishwasher is not located next to the sink base, where the receptacle would usually be located.
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Code never has said the receptacle must be in the sink base, just that it is permitted to be in an adjacent cabinet. Just about the only place where NEC has ever permitted a flexible cord to pass through a wall/partition.
 
kwired said:
Code never has said the receptacle must be in the sink base, just that it is permitted to be in an adjacent cabinet. Just about the only place where NEC has ever permitted a flexible cord to pass through a wall/partition.
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A cabinet is not a wall. We've been running the cords from the microwave/vent hood and cord connected vent hoods into the cabinet above for decades. :)
 
infinity said:
A cabinet is not a wall. We've been running the cords from the microwave/vent hood and cord connected vent hoods into the cabinet above for decades. :)
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Not a major component of the building, it is still the wall of the cabinet:p

Is it not still a fixed partition of some sort? Outside of a few specific instances can you run flexible cord through such partitions as a general rule as something that is to be considered a permanent installation?
 
ggunn said:
Doesn't a wall switch fulfill this requirement?
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It can but that is a different discussion, sort of. A receptacle is a permitted disconnecting means. Does it need to be "readily accessible"? I don't think it does. But even if it did, putting it under the sink still brings up the same topic as GFCI's under the sink possibly not being readily accessible.
 
422.16(B)(2)(6) of the 2017 NEC requires that the receptacle be located in the space adjacent to the dishwasher if you want to use a cord and plug.

(6) The receptacle for a built-in dishwasher shall be located
in the space adjacent to the space occupied by the dishwasher.
 
MasterTheNEC said:
Nah....just always more than one way do something and cord and plug is just another way to do it. Kinda like a in-sink waste disposal....it can be hard wired or cord and plugged as well.....
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Question, can the cord and plug be run into the adjacent cabinet, since as of the 2017 code cycle, power cords got added to uses not permitted in 400?
 
lordofthisworld said:
Question, can the cord and plug be run into the adjacent cabinet, since as of the 2017 code cycle, power cords got added to uses not permitted in 400?
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These specific appliance cords are permitted by Article 422 for the specific appliance they pertain too. Remember, a cabinet is not a wall and expressly permitted by the applicable section specified.
 
I personally don't consider kitchen cabinets to be permanent parts of a structure. I have placed a blank-covered junction box behind an upper cabinet. After all, I was able to remove and replace the cabinet to put it there.
 
LarryFine said:
I personally don't consider kitchen cabinets to be permanent parts of a structure. I have placed a blank-covered junction box behind an upper cabinet. After all, I was able to remove and replace the cabinet to put it there.
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Walking a thin line there. When a house is sold anything attached to the structure is part of the structure.
 
LarryFine said:
Apply that to a ceiling light or fan. Yes, it conveys, but is it "a permanent part of the house"?
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Interesting question. The junction box that serves the fan or light I would expect to find there. However if there were another, non-related, junction box hidden by the light or the fan canopy I would never find it.

as of now I would not consider a fan or light a permanent part of the structure. A kitchen cabinet yes, if I had to remove a kitchen cabinet to find a junction box, I'd be one PO'd electrician.
 
I actually did it to repair a damaged NM cable, so it was only a single 2-wire splice. Shouldn't ever need finding, and it was in my own house.

I like stirring up the dust once in a while, just to see the reactions of fellow forum members. I do stand by my opinion that it's accessible, tho.
 
LarryFine said:
I actually did it to repair a damaged NM cable, so it was only a single 2-wire splice. Shouldn't ever need finding, and it was in my own house.

I like stirring up the dust once in a while, just to see the reactions of fellow forum members. I do stand by my opinion that it's accessible, tho.
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A Tyco or TE Connectivity type splice could be hidden, and without a junction box, anywhere in the residence. And you are perfectly free to install anything as a homeowner

I would not install anything behind what I consider a permanently mounted kitchen cabinet, there would be a cut in the back wall of the cabinet, and a visible cover plate to a junction box there. I freely admit that this may be beyond code.

Larry Fine, you are one of the members here that I admire, especially since you are in Virginia
 
JFletcher said:
I would not install anything behind what I consider a permanently mounted kitchen cabinet, there would be a cut in the back wall of the cabinet, and a visible cover plate to a junction box there. I freely admit that this may be beyond code.
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The cabinet came off the wall with around six screws, so I considered it to not be permanent in the strict sense.

Larry Fine, you are one of the members here that I admire, especially since you are in Virginia
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Flattery will get you anywhere. :p
 
LarryFine said:
I personally don't consider kitchen cabinets to be permanent parts of a structure. I have placed a blank-covered junction box behind an upper cabinet. After all, I was able to remove and replace the cabinet to put it there.
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Removal of some cabinets can be more destructive to building finishes then others. I have a ceramic tile countertop that is not going to come out without some destruction should I need to remove a cabinet that is underneath, or destruction of the cabinet would be necessary to get it out without disturbing the countertop. Much easier and less expensive to cut a hole in drywall then patch it again to access a concealed box but most would agree that isn't allowed.
 
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