Receptacle location around a church baptistery

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hmspe said:
There was a lot of press early on (including an article [by others] that Mike sent out) that blamed the sound system, but the investigation showed that it was the water heater. There were a lot of replies to Mike's newsletter, and I'm pretty sure the investigation results were posted there. I don't recall seeing corrections in the popular press.

Martin
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Long thread from back at the time discusses grounding/audio issues around baptismal pools. Worth a read.

Quick Google search found that the family sued the EC and settled out of court.
 
mdshunk said:
Agreed, and I'm a Baptist too. Treat it just like a pool with the same rules.
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Marc, you are in good company with the CMP as well.

Playing around in my new favorite sandbox (old ROPs and ROCs), I happened across the following -- dumb luck, wasn't even looking for it, but the word "baptistery" tends to jump of the page as something one doesn't see every day:

17-171 Log #3200 NEC-P17 Final Action: Reject
(680, Part VIII)
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Submitter: Donald Cook, Shelby County Development Services
Recommendation: Add a new Part VIII to cover Baptisteries.
680.80 General. Baptisteries as defined in 680.2 shall comply with Part VIII of
this article.
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blah blah blah
Panel Meeting Action: Reject
Panel Statement: Refer to panel action and statement on Proposal 17-60.
Number Eligible to Vote: 11
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 11
Comment on Affirmative:
BLEWITT, T.: A baptistery is a type of pool. Article 680 already covers
pools.
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But wait... there's more:
17-60 Log #3202 NEC-P17 Final Action: Accept in Principle
(680.2)
____________________________________________________________
Submitter: Donald Cook, Shelby County Development Services
Recommendation: Add a new definition for Baptistery. A vessel installed for
religious ceremonies with all water-circulating, heating, and control equipment
associated with the unit and designed for the immersion of users.
Substantiation: Baptisteries are not currently covered by this article or any
other special equipment requirements of the NEC. Many involve immersion of
the user and the same electrical hazards as pools, hot tubs, spas,
hydromassages, and other vessels included in Article 680. Currently, nothing in
the NEC requires bonding of metal parts, GFCI protection of equipment,
separation of electrical and electronic devices from the vessel. This and
companion proposals address that lack of coverage. The attached newspaper
article related to the death of a user is submitted for substantiation that
requirements are needed.
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Here is the 2008 text for 680.2 that resulted:
Pool. Manufactured or field-constructed equipment designed
to contain water on a permanent or semipermanent
basis and used for swimming, wading, immersion, or other
purposes.
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tallguy said:
But wait... there's more:


Here is the 2008 text for 680.2 that resulted:
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I seem to be having a case of deja vu, didn't someone already post the new definition of pool in Article 680 from the 2008 NEC, say around post #5. ;)

Chris
 
raider1 said:
I seem to be having a case of deja vu, didn't someone already post the new definition of pool in Article 680 from the 2008 NEC, say around post #5. ;)
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yes, but he didn't include the big quote blocks from the ROP:wink:

Marc, do I lose hero status now??
 
steve66 said:
I remember that also. I think that was carried in newspapers across the country. However, I thought it was the microphone and audio equipment that was at fault. Seems like it wasn't grounded, or something like that.
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Thats story went round the world...
 
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