Receptacle location by a jucuzzi

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jjhoward

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Where can I install a receptacle for the customer who wants a small TV over his jacuzzi? I think this must be at least 7'6" above the water level, is that true? That requirement makes this a no-go with the TV by the jacuzzi. We could move the receptacle to the other side of a wall, but we would still have the small TV above the water (fixed equipment). What article would apply to this small TV by a jacuzzi?

Thank you.
 
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Well, if the outlet is GFI protected, out of the tub space, I don't think there's any code reason not to. Sounds like this person really wants to go out in a blaze of glory.

If the fire from the curling iron in the drawer doesn't kill them, maybe the TV falling off the shelf into the tub will! :D
 
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Different customers, but I pray they don't talk to each other. This customer also has a hanging chanderlier right over the jacuzzi. Maybe he setting something up that involves life insurance??
 
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What do you mean "Jacuzzi"? That is a brand name and is regularly misused in place of whirlpool tub, hydro massage tub, and hot tub. There are different answers depending on the actual tub in question. If you mean hydromassage tub than it is no different than a bathtub. Make a plumb line up from the edge of the tub and put your receptacle on the outside of that line and thats it. NEC says not within a tub or shower space.
 
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Ok, I guess this will be a hydromassage tub. (It is not there yet, only framed out.) So, if the outlet is beyond the inside edge of this tub, NEC says it is OK? I don't like the image of the customer standing in the tub plugging in his TV.
The GFI should protect him and the image would improve if it was his lovely wife. ;)
 
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Can you tell where in the code this is stated.
In 680.22 (A)(2) Other recepticles shall not be < 10' from the inside walls. Are bathtubs called out elsewhere in the code?
 
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IMO, a hydro tub is just a bath tub with a motor. 680.70 covers this. The code for receps in tub & shower spaces is 406.8(C). Go with the parameters electricmanscott gave.Like it or not.
 
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JJ you want to be looking at part VII of 680. Particularly 680.72 in the 2005 NEC
 
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There is a safe way to give them tv.Have a piece of glass between tub and the area behind this wall.Now they can view the tv but cant touch it,what could be safer.Possibly have it with a built in defrost similar to that on a car.They now can use the remote to select channels.I would have a problem with the tv being in reach even if they could get around the code.As for the gfci ,keep in mind they go bad.A life might be depending on a $8 gfci
 
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Originally posted by allenwayne:
It is not installed so consider it a tub until a jetted tub is installed :D
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Even after it is installed it is still treated the same as a tub other than bonding.
 
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I was at this site today finishing up the rough. Yes, the receptacle location was definitely in the bathtub space. I flipped it around to face out the other side of the wall. If he wants to get power to his TV from this receptacle, that is his choice. Thanks to everyone for the input. I really blanked out on the 406.8 article. Hopefully, it has been stored in my memory where I can retrieve it!
 
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This customer also has a hanging chanderlier right over the jacuzzi.
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RED TAG!
410.4(D) Bathtub and Shower Areas. No parts of cord-connected luminaires (fixtures), hanging luminaires (fixtures), lighting track, pendants, or ceiling-suspended (paddle) fans shall be located within a zone measured 900 mm (3 ft) horizontally and 2.5 m (8 ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes the zone directly over the tub or shower stall.
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People who want electricity in the bath tub should be informed of the obvious danger. Sometimes they're actually not aware that people and appliances in the bath tub at the same time is bad.

Also, a TV in the tub with no ground pin on the plug (like many) will not trip the GFCI if the tub doesn't have a path to ground. Like plastic or fiberglass or if it isn't grounded.

The only idea I've heard for doing this safely is the "behind sealed glass" idea. And you can use a remote.
 
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Red tag only if bottom falls into that zone.High ceilings are the in thing.Only had one customer ever ask me to hang a chandelier over her tub ,and i flat out refused.Ceiling was like 12 feet so my boss agreed to install a fan rated box on a gfci that was switched and blanked off.I did my best to talk her out of it and exsplained why.She let me know that her husband will hang it after i leave.Some people just can't be saved.
 
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The idea of behind the glass commes from back when i did TV repairs.Customer had TV in closet behind dresser,and the glass was a one way mirror.Perfact way to hide it from view till use.
 
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Originally posted by physis:
Sometimes they're actually not aware that people and appliances in the bath tub at the same time is bad.
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Where is that in the NEC?

So much for that romantic evening I had planned. :D
 
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"BAD" is a vague and possibly unenforceable term. It's usually used to frighten people who haven't been to college.
 
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