Receptacle spacing in a kitchen

[infinity]

Rephrase: In my area, I must have 2 (We call them "kitchen circuits", they are for the countertops) small-appliance branch circuits and I can not have more that 3 receps on that circuit.

Im on the 2002 NEC

Actually would that would be 6 receptacles then or 3 duplex receptacles or are you required by local code to use single receptacles?

Your SABCs must stay on the countertops, despite 210.52(B)(1)'s wording?

Nope, they are not required to only be used on the receptacles serving the countertop.

 

[mh183]

i would use the same point of view in 210.52(3) and not except it although in NJ rehab you can get away with a lot

 

[480sparky]

?????????? Splain your selp Lucy.

There's nothing in 210.52(B)(1) that limits the location of the 2 SABCs to the countertops.

In the kitchen, pantry, breakfast room dining room, or similar area..... the two or more 20-ampere small-appliance branch circuits....shall serve all wall and floor receptacles.... all countertop receptacles... and receptacles for refrigeration equipment.

Unless you have a local amendment, then the 2 SABCs can be spread out all through the kitchen, dining room, pantry, breakfast nook, etc.

So what do you feed the required wall receptacles with?

If the recep is in an area listed, one of the SABCs.

Nope, they are not required to only be used on the receptacles serving the countertop.

If that's a local amendment, then it needs to be formally adopted, not just an inspector being an expector.

 

[infinity]

480,

Sorry I misread your post. You were asking about going beyond the countertop not telling. Before coffee typing= bad idea.

 

[480sparky]

480,

Sorry I misread your post. You were asking about going beyond the countertop not telling. Before coffee typing= bad idea.

It's a common myth that the 2 SABCs are limited to the countertop.

In a spec home, I spread them throughout the areas listed in 210.52(B)(1) as much as I can. Customs, however, generally get another dedicated SABC for the fridge, dining room, breakfast nook, etc.

 

[billsnuff]

In a spec home, I spread them throughout the areas listed in 210.52(B)(1) as much as I can. Customs, however, generally get another dedicated SABC for the fridge, dining room, breakfast nook, etc.

(B)(1) ex 1 & 2........480, do you use these as a rule or as an exception, in custom homes? Just wondering?

 

[480sparky]

(B)(1) ex 1 & 2........480, do you use these as a rule or as an exception, in custom homes? Just wondering?

Neither.

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

Can receptacles serving kitchen countertops and islands be used to satisfy the wall space requirements for receptacles?

Example:
An island has a receptacle that would be within 6' of an adjacent wall in a kitchen. The wall section is about 7' long. Would the island receptacle eliminate the need for a receptacle on the wall?

No

There are countertop receptacles that "serve the countertop" and there are wall receptacles that serve the wall space.

All of these receptacles, if located in the kitchen are generally required to be on a small appliance circuit...unless of course there are local laws stating otherwise.

 

[iwire]

No

There are countertop receptacles that "serve the countertop" and there are wall receptacles that serve the wall space.

Code reference please? :smile:

Picture one wall of a kitchen, the entire wall is 12' long.

A 4' long counter is placed in the center of this wall leaving 4' of wall space at each end.

I have a duplex receptacle 1' in from each end of the counter.

I do not have to add receptacles for the wall space at each end, those wall spaces are covered by the two counter receptacles.

 

[480sparky]

Code reference please? :smile:

I'll take 210.52(A)(1) for 'measured horizontally along the floor line'.

Start at the end of the wall, go your 4 foot, then 2 foot out for the cabinet depth, then another foot to get in line with your recep. 7 foot..... too much.

 

[iwire]

Start at the end of the wall, go your 4 foot, then 2 foot out for the cabinet depth, then another foot to get in line with your recep. 7 foot..... too much.

Forget trying to go around the cabinet, the cabinet is not a wall.

This alone may be enough.

I'll take 210.52(A)(1) for 'measured horizontally along the floor line'.

But I thought we battled this one out before and came to the conclusion that a counter receptacle could also cover the wall space. Not that it would be a good design just an acceptable one.

 

[480sparky]

But I thought we battled this one out before and came to the conclusion that a counter receptacle could also cover the wall space. Not that it would be a good design just an acceptable one.

Sounds like it would make a good poll question. :smile:

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

I'll take 210.52(A)(1) for 'measured horizontally along the floor line'.

Start at the end of the wall, go your 4 foot, then 2 foot out for the cabinet depth, then another foot to get in line with your recep. 7 foot..... too much.

That and 210.52(C)

 

[iwire]

That and 210.52(C)

I don't see that (C) has any bearing on my question at all. :-?

 

[iwire]

Sounds like it would make a good poll question. :smile:

Go for it, I am really not that into it, I would install the receptacle. :smile:

 

[480sparky]

I don't see that (C) has any bearing on my question at all. :-?

Pierre's interpretation may be that a recep installed to serve a countertop cannot serve the wall space beyond the c'top.

Maybe I'm wrong in this assumption, though. I'm sure he'll chime in.....

 

[iwire]

Pierre's interpretation may be that a recep installed to serve a countertop cannot serve the wall space beyond the c'top.

I assumed that but I do not see it in the NEC. :smile: