Recessed Lights

Regarding 410.118 one could have a regular junction box say a 4-11/16 box concealed by a generic round ceiling access plate the same 6" diameter as a recessed can light and its considered compliant with 314.29.
You could even use a fake or dead can light as an 'access plate'.
And there is nothing preventing a recessed light from being mounted on or to a access panel, such as a drop ceiling tile.
So in theory you could install a thin round ring slightly larger than the recessed light behind the can trim as your 'access panel'.
Then 410.118 would be met as your junction box is behind an access panel and your can light trim is mounted to that access panel.
Then your back to just complying with 314.29.
 
Ok, so I contacted the manufacturer and they stated I could add two 14-2 and one 14-3 in their junction box. I have it an email. Will that supersede what is written on the inside of the can in your opinion. Pictures attached.
 

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infinity said:
The cables are all existing so how are you going to extend the feed without a splice?
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1. ask AHJ nicely for a box
2. make a new feed
3. add another can light or something for your splice
4. add a box to the ceiling with a blank

Not sure what's involved with #2, #1 seems easiest and most likely would succeed because that rule is dumb.
 
LarryFine said:
Why would seven #14s be worse than six #12s?
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I would take that info on the can and translate back to cubic inches,
6 * 2.25 = 13.5 CUIN,
for the 14 AWG; 7 * 2 = 14 CUIN.
The manufacturer has accounted for the fixture leads and clamps.
 
AC\DC said:
That makes it complaint—- but In Reality how is that any different then behind a tradition can…. Rules a joke
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Yeah 410.118 is a joke I would much rather un-snap a wafer to see a nice 4-11/16 box up there with a tail to the wafer light than a mess of wires shoved into a flimsy box that does not even close.
 
LarryFine said:
Because it sounds too much like work. :sneaky:

I would use the light's J-box and stuff it carefully.
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Yeah probably only worth it on a remodel where you have lots of splices to make, and you'd need a nice looking plastic ring that matches the light.
It would be cool if the lighting manufacturers made a little ring that could be used for the purpose.
Here is the concept:410_118.png
 
LarryFine said:
If someone is going to count wires, they're also going to want the "other box" to be mounted.
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Indeed of course,
One of the times I did this was moving a range in a kitchen to a new island, with finished drywall basement ceiling below.
I pulled the old cable down and fished it to a nearby can light, mounted a 4S box to a joist above, then fished to the new range location.
You could easily access the box by dropping the can.
 
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