reidentify greenwire

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resistance said:
I don't believe you can re-identify a grounding conductor.
See 310.12--which leads to other articles
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I also thought so but I have been to 310.12 and have followed all the redirections and cannot find anything to support not allowing a green wire the be re-indentified as an ungrounded...
 
Section 310.11 requires conductors and cables to be marked . Section 200.7 is an exception for reidentifying grounded conductors.
 
SEO said:
Section 310.11 requires conductors and cables to be marked . Section 200.7 is an exception for reidentifying grounded conductors.
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Does that mean you think the NEC restricts the reidentification of green wire?

310.11 seems to be talking to wire manufactures. 200.7 is talking only about "200.7 Use of Insulation of a White or Gray Color or with Three Continuous White Stripes."
 
raider1 said:
Take a look at 250.119.

Chris
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Thanks Chris. It wasn't where I was looking.
250.119 Identification of Equipment Grounding Conductors.
Unless required elsewhere in this Code, equipment grounding conductors shall be permitted to be bare, covered, or insulated. Individually covered or insulated equipment grounding conductors shall have a continuous outer finish that is either green or green with one or more yellow stripes except as permitted in this section. Conductors with insulation or individual covering that is green, green with one or more yellow stripes, or otherwise identified as permitted by this section shall not be used for ungrounded or grounded circuit conductors.
 
Twoskinsoneman said:
Thanks Chris. It wasn't where I was looking.
250.119 Identification of Equipment Grounding Conductors.
Unless required elsewhere in this Code, equipment grounding conductors shall be permitted to be bare, covered, or insulated. Individually covered or insulated equipment grounding conductors shall have a continuous outer finish that is either green or green with one or more yellow stripes except as permitted in this section. Conductors with insulation or individual covering that is green, green with one or more yellow stripes, or otherwise identified as permitted by this section shall not be used for ungrounded or grounded circuit conductors.
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Your welcome,

Sometimes the requirements can be hard to find.

Chris
 
Along with not identifying the green to any other color it should be noted that you can not reidentify any wire #6 or smaller. Unless in a cable or cord.
 
acrwc10 said:
Along with not identifying the green to any other color it should be noted that you can not reidentify any wire #6 or smaller. Unless in a cable or cord.
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Ok to continue the fun where does the NEC restrict reidentifying a red or black wire to white run in conduit?
 
Twoskinsoneman said:
Ok to continue the fun where does the NEC restrict reidentifying a red or black wire to white run in conduit?
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It doesn't unless they are #6 or smaller.
 
Twoskinsoneman said:
Ok...where does the NEC restrict reidentifying a #6 red or black wire to white run in conduit?

I am taking about the identification of an ungrounded wire.
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200.6 (A)

Chris
 
Twoskinsoneman said:
200.6 (a) Deal with grounded conductors only.
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Yes it does.

This section states that a grounded conductor #6 AWG and smaller must be identified by a continious white or gray outer finish.

So for example if I have a #6 black conductor I can't phase tape the ends of the wire white, because section 200.6 requires that the grounded conductor have a continious outer finish that is either gray or white.

Chris
 
raider1 said:
Yes it does.

This section states that a grounded conductor #6 AWG and smaller must be identified by a continious white or gray outer finish.

So for example if I have a #6 black conductor I can't phase tape the ends of the wire white, because section 200.6 requires that the grounded conductor have a continious outer finish that is either gray or white.

Chris
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Sorry what I was thinking wasn't getting out. I kept saying dealing with ungrounded conductors but also kept saying marking a red cable white.

My question is what stops me from marking a white wire with red and using it as an ungrounded conductor. :rolleyes:
 
First I will admit that I didn't read all of this thread, yet.

But since your outlets and switches are required to be grounded, what will you use as a ground if you reidentify it?
 
cowboyjwc said:
First I will admit that I didn't read all of this thread, yet.

But since your outlets and switches are required to be grounded, what will you use as a ground if you reidentify it?
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You are not going to believe this but here goes.
In my installations we use multiple colors for our ungrounded conductors. It is not disallowed and makes any future troubleshooting very easy. (quick identification of circuits off of the electrical prints)

Well my foreman was adding a circuit to an installation that was not on the electrical print. (He brought to my attention a missing circuit so I told him to just pick random wire numbers and colors and report them to me and I would update the prints.)

My foreman told one of our new electricians to pull some LFNC-B with "a green EGC, two white neutals, and 3 different color hots".

Well the newbie pulled 1 green, 2 whites, 1 red, 1 black, and 1 Lt green.

I guess one spool of #12 green was was one manufacturer and one #12 green spool was from another...

The foreman asked me if we could tape it red...

I didn't think so but I hadn't come across that specific issue before. It's not very common that you have an extra green wire..

I hope this newbie comes around quick... Poor guy, caught his wife cheating the first day he worked for me. (Only came in for half day for orientation, went home early...BAM)
 
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