Do all electrical light fixtures in residential installations have to be UL listed? If so where exactly can i find this in writing.I'm getting sick of homeowners buying these antiques,imported and hand crafted fixtures that are dangerous or impossible to hang without somehow rigging it up.
Residential light fixtures
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peter d
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As long as the requirements of Article 410 are met, I see no reason why light fixtures need to be listed.
As long as the requirements of Article 410 are met, I see no reason why light fixtures need to be listed.
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Check out 110.3. My rule is; Everything I use in electrical is U.L. listed.
Check out 110.3. My rule is; Everything I use in electrical is U.L. listed.
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We only use listed products too, but there are other listing agencies besides UL.Originally posted by chicar:
Check out 110.3. My rule is; Everything I use in electrical is U.L. listed.
peter d
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How does that code section require listed products? There are many non listed electrical products that we use every day. Have you ever seen a listing on those green grounding screws? Or a box of staples?
[ December 26, 2005, 08:22 PM: Message edited by: peter d ]
How does that code section require listed products? There are many non listed electrical products that we use every day. Have you ever seen a listing on those green grounding screws? Or a box of staples?
[ December 26, 2005, 08:22 PM: Message edited by: peter d ]
chicar
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Your right. I should have said, " Equipment" instead of everything. Yes, there are other approved listings than UL.
Your right. I should have said, " Equipment" instead of everything. Yes, there are other approved listings than UL.
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[ December 26, 2005, 09:23 PM: Message edited by: mdshunk ]
I have had odd customer supplied fixtures on a regular basis. Antiques and hand crafted items mostly. I've yet to hang one that involved any 'rigging' whatsoever. There are many antique fixtures, that when originally supplied to me, lacked a few necessary parts. There are suppliers for all these sorts of oddities, and that's what you need to look into further. Any fixture can be hung without cobbling with the appropriate hardware, but it might involve a second service call. Getting yourself a 1/8" and 3/8" threading die for your threader, and a few special hardware pieces, and this will help when hanging converted gas lights.
[ December 26, 2005, 09:23 PM: Message edited by: mdshunk ]
peter d
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What's a "light fixture?" I thought it was a luminaire? :roll:
[ December 26, 2005, 09:25 PM: Message edited by: peter d ]
What's a "light fixture?" I thought it was a luminaire? :roll:
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mdshunk
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Originally posted by peter d:
What's a "light fixture?" I thought it was a luminaire?
peter d
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Nope, just another bad joke of mine gone wrong apparently.
I'm sure you can see that my first post in the thread states my position pretty clearly.
[ December 26, 2005, 09:55 PM: Message edited by: peter d ]
Nope, just another bad joke of mine gone wrong apparently.
I'm sure you can see that my first post in the thread states my position pretty clearly.
[ December 26, 2005, 09:55 PM: Message edited by: peter d ]
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Here is something to watch out for, at least for people on the West Coast. Rich Customer's that live in Japan, and buy a second home in our country like to bring light fixtures over from Japan. They are all quite certain that their fixtures are of a much better quality than any of ours.(Most likely quite true...). The typical light made in Japan is tested for an 80 volt system, not for use on 120 volt nominal wiring.
Here is something to watch out for, at least for people on the West Coast. Rich Customer's that live in Japan, and buy a second home in our country like to bring light fixtures over from Japan. They are all quite certain that their fixtures are of a much better quality than any of ours.(Most likely quite true...). The typical light made in Japan is tested for an 80 volt system, not for use on 120 volt nominal wiring.
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I only spent two days and one night ever in that country. I seem to clearly remember their stuff being 100volt 60hz, and having the same attachment plugs that we use here in the US. 100 volts seems close enough to 120 to me. Are you experiencing failures of Japanese fixtures applied in the US?
allenwayne
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Its the european ones to keep an eye out for 230v 50 hz.We spent a week redoing fixtures $$$
Its the european ones to keep an eye out for
230v 50 hz.We spent a week redoing fixtures $$$allenwayne
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Oh by the way all the wiring was fried .
Oh by the way all the wiring was fried .
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Hey MD, I just looked it up and you are right on, its 100 volts 60 hz. I am not sure where I came up with 80 volts, maybe one of the customers in question told me 80. I have never been there.
Hey MD, I just looked it up and you are right on, its 100 volts 60 hz. I am not sure where I came up with 80 volts, maybe one of the customers in question told me 80. I have never been there.
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That's lucky of me then. I just happened to think after I posted that I might have been seeing typical US electrical stuff because I was staying in an American style hotel.
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Heck sometimes the boxed fixtures are a PITA with missing or junk parts and those round mounting plates that never seem to line up where you need them to....and track lighting is another nightmare. It pays to have a box of assorted hardware on the truck.
[ December 27, 2005, 09:58 PM: Message edited by: monkey ]
I get this all the time. I will explain to the customer what is entailed in making a safe operation and that it will take a lot more time than just hanging a ready to go fixture. I am surprised at the number of artist's chandeliers with no grounding wire. I carry it on the truck and insist all metal chandeliers be grounded. And I have shown up to install fixtures that had no wiring or sockets at all. Sometimes I will take them back to the shop to wire up then return later to install. These are high dollar installs by the time you add it all up. Two come to mind that I have declined, one was actually made of paper, another was a 24" tall "lantern" which the interior designer wanted over a bathtub with a 7' ceiling!
Heck sometimes the boxed fixtures are a PITA with missing or junk parts and those round mounting plates that never seem to line up where you need them to....and track lighting is another nightmare. It pays to have a box of assorted hardware on the truck.
[ December 27, 2005, 09:58 PM: Message edited by: monkey ]
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