residential load center replacement
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jtester
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Re: residential load center replacement
I don't think the NEC has an issue with the panel being next to a sink. You still have requirements for working space, etc., but the sink alone isn't a problem.
Jim T
I don't think the NEC has an issue with the panel being next to a sink. You still have requirements for working space, etc., but the sink alone isn't a problem.
Jim T
jwelectric
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Re: residential load center replacement
As long as the articles outlined below are not violated I see nothing wrong with you installation.
210.8 (A) (7) Laundry, utility, and wet bar sinks ? where the receptacles are installed within 1.8 m (6 ft) of the outside edge of the sink
110.26 (A) (2) Width of Working Space. The width of the working space in front of the electric equipment shall be the width of the equipment or 750 mm (30 in.), whichever is greater.
Personally I would try to work out something different but see no code violation. This is like putting a panel in a bedroom where AFCI protection is required.
As long as the articles outlined below are not violated I see nothing wrong with you installation.
210.8 (A) (7) Laundry, utility, and wet bar sinks ? where the receptacles are installed within 1.8 m (6 ft) of the outside edge of the sink
110.26 (A) (2) Width of Working Space. The width of the working space in front of the electric equipment shall be the width of the equipment or 750 mm (30 in.), whichever is greater.
Personally I would try to work out something different but see no code violation. This is like putting a panel in a bedroom where AFCI protection is required.
jtester
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Re: residential load center replacement
jwelectric
I'm confused, 210.(8)(A)(7) applies to receptacles, not panels, similarly 210.12(B) applies to receptacles also. The NEC would permit panels in both laundry rooms and in bedrooms.
jwelectric
I'm confused, 210.(8)(A)(7) applies to receptacles, not panels, similarly 210.12(B) applies to receptacles also. The NEC would permit panels in both laundry rooms and in bedrooms.
jwelectric
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Re: residential load center replacement
Three years ago people had a fit about AFCIs and compared the panel in a bedroom to the circuits needing to be AFCI protected.
?In a residential service upgrade, existing panel is located next to a laundry sink , 12" from panel can I place new panel in same location? Or do I have to relocate the breaker panel??
As outlined by this question there is doubt that a panel can be with in six foot of the sink or he wouldn?t have mentioned it. I posted article 210.8 (A) (7) so he could see that it was addressing the receptacles only. I also posted 110.26 to clarify the 30 inch rule.
I was careful to try not to inject any thing that I thought only what the code has to say about the situation.
Three years ago people had a fit about AFCIs and compared the panel in a bedroom to the circuits needing to be AFCI protected.
?In a residential service upgrade, existing panel is located next to a laundry sink , 12" from panel can I place new panel in same location? Or do I have to relocate the breaker panel??
As outlined by this question there is doubt that a panel can be with in six foot of the sink or he wouldn?t have mentioned it. I posted article 210.8 (A) (7) so he could see that it was addressing the receptacles only. I also posted 110.26 to clarify the 30 inch rule.
I was careful to try not to inject any thing that I thought only what the code has to say about the situation.
Re: residential load center replacement
JW,
Unless the panel had onboard receptacles such as some Hospital Iso Panels, (and if this was an Isolation panel we wouldn't care how close to the water it was in a safety standpoint) 210.8(A)(7) would not be in the conversation.
Roger
JW,
and the proper article to have referenced for the question as worded would be 110.26(A)(2) and maybe, 408.17.
Unless the panel had onboard receptacles such as some Hospital Iso Panels, (and if this was an Isolation panel we wouldn't care how close to the water it was in a safety standpoint) 210.8(A)(7) would not be in the conversation.
Roger
jtester
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Re: residential load center replacement
jwelectric
Thanks for the explanation, I see your logic.
Jim T
jwelectric
Thanks for the explanation, I see your logic.
Jim T
jwelectric
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Re: residential load center replacement
Roger
Now I am confused, I did direct him to 110.26 (A) (2) but can?t for the life of me figure what ignitable material has to do with this situation unless you are quoting the 2002 code ?408.17?. If so I don?t think that this is a damp location unless the roof leaks.
Roger
Now I am confused, I did direct him to 110.26 (A) (2) but can?t for the life of me figure what ignitable material has to do with this situation unless you are quoting the 2002 code ?408.17?. If so I don?t think that this is a damp location unless the roof leaks.
Re: residential load center replacement
JW, you're in NC
Read my 9:54 PM post a little more closely (we talked about reading closely before ) and you will see the word "maybe", which is as relevant as your 210 reference if not more. :roll:
Roger
[ January 07, 2005, 10:32 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
JW, you're in NC
so what code cycle are you under until March?
Read my 9:54 PM post a little more closely (we talked about reading closely before
) and you will see the word "maybe", which is as relevant as your 210 reference if not more. :roll: Roger
[ January 07, 2005, 10:32 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
jwelectric
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Re: residential load center replacement
Roger
We will use the 2002 until March at last I have heard. 2005 code has been accepted by SBCCI and the State Building Code Council and now is in the General Assembly.
I just ?assumed? the question was directed to the 2005 code due to the referral to the laundry sink.
This is my bad due to the ?assumption? and for not dating my code reference. Thanks for waking this realization to my mind. Any post at this time of the code cycle should address the code cycle I am referring to. Thank You
I will stand on my statement that this is not a damp or wet location as defined in 100 therefore 408.17 would have no bearing on the question.
Roger
We will use the 2002 until March at last I have heard. 2005 code has been accepted by SBCCI and the State Building Code Council and now is in the General Assembly.
I just ?assumed? the question was directed to the 2005 code due to the referral to the laundry sink.
This is my bad due to the ?assumption? and for not dating my code reference. Thanks for waking this realization to my mind. Any post at this time of the code cycle should address the code cycle I am referring to. Thank You
I will stand on my statement that this is not a damp or wet location as defined in 100 therefore 408.17 would have no bearing on the question.
electricmanscott
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Re: residential load center replacement
You're good to go. Some times these discussions go way off topic and add more confusion then helpful answers.
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