Residual electrons - fire investigation

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During a fire investigation class, the instructor indicated that a fire could be started by residual unused electrons being emitted from the receptacles. Although most people in the classroom realize the instructor is making a joke, there are a couple that are convinced that this is a reasonable cause of some fires. Is anyone aware of any reports (fact or ficticiuos) that could be taken to the class to lead these guys on even more. This is being done in fun and no-one will get their feelings hurt, but we will all have a good laugh in the end.
 
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Well if you don`t use all the electrons in an extension cord they probably will fall out causing friction that if on a flamable surface will undoubtedly cause them to rub thereby ignighting the closest surface that some sparky just left lying around :D
 
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The residual unused electron problem has been known to create spontaneous combustion in human beings. Not all that long ago, spontaneous combustion of human beings was considered an urban myth, however recently, paranormal science investigators have determined it actually does occur and finally the reason why.

To protect yourself from this problem, you should always put the little plastic baby plugs into unused outlets so the electrons remain inside the outlet.

Most people are unaware of this problem and believe the little plugs are sold to keep babies from sticking metal objects into the outlet. Now you know the truth of the story.

To avoid panic amongst the general public, it is advisable to stress the baby safety aspect of using these plugs, rather than the spontaneous combustion problem.
 
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A fire could be caused by the resistance of a wire was reduced because someone used a wire streacher on it.
 
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As with the little plastic baby safety plugs, another aspect of electricity is deliberately mis-directed by the words used to describe what is really happening, in part to help manage the public's fear of smoke.

The "electrons" of a working electrical circuit actually mask the underlying reality that electrical power is carried by smoke and heat. An electrical circuit works as long as the smoke and heat do not escape. Once the smoke and heat has escaped, the circuit will have failed and will no longer run anything.

Bad connections are the failure of the conductor integrity.

The residual electrons, the smoke and heat of electricity still ramaining after the initial connection failure, will contribute to the restarting of extinguished fires.
 
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Okay, you guys have alot of good ideas on this electron theory. It sounds like all of you have been through an investigation class. I think I will present of few of these theories and see what the instructor has for a responce. Thanks all and keep those theories coming, this is hilarious!!!
 
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An electrical circuit works as long as the smoke and heat do not escape
:D :D I got a good laugh out of that one. I will have to remember that phrase!!

I think this could also have something to do with why Hershell's point of sale system keeps locking up!! See the POS thread.


Steve
 
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Put duct tape on it,after all it is rated for 200 MPH and has a 4 hour fire rating.
 
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The Smoke Theory of Electric Circuits
Electrical Theory by Joseph Lucas
Positive ground depends upon proper circuit functioning, the transmission of negative ions by retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as "smoke". Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work; we know this to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of the electrical system, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly through empirical testing.

When, for example, the smoke escapes from an electrical component (i.e., say, a Lucas voltage regulator), it will be observed that the component stops working. The function of the wire harness is to carry the smoke from one device to another; when the wire harness "springs a leak", and lets all the smoke out of the system, nothing works afterwards. Starter motors were frowned upon in British Automobiles for some time, largely because they consume large quantities of smoke, requiring very large wires.

It has been noted that Lucas components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than Bosch or generic Japanese electrics. Experts point out that this is because Lucas is British and all things British leak. British engines leak oil, shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk brakes leak fluid, British tyres leak air and the British defense establishment leaks secrets...so, naturally, British electrics leak smoke.

Subject: SMOKE

When wires smoke, how come the smoke is not the same color as the wire?

This is not completely true. When the smoke is in the wire, it is under pressure (called voltage). The pressure difference causes the color to change from the normal color we are used to. Not unlike the blood in our veins and arteries changing color due to the oxygen content. When the smoke escapes the wire and is exposed to air, the pressure is released, and the color reverts back to what we commonly recognize as smoke. The wire then changes to the color of the smoke that escaped.

I hope this helps you understand.

I would only question the last sentence of that description. It has been my experience that the wire turns a color directly opposite of the smoke.

Not always true, I think it must depend on the composition of the smoke in question.

I should have made it a little clearer; the color the wire becomes, is directly proportional to the escape velocity of the smoke. Higher velocities generate higher heat. This heat tends to burn the wire and affect the coloring. The statement was meant to be a generalization, indicating the fact that the color of the wire does in fact change. Sorry for the miscommunication.

I was speaking of electrical smoke which is generally white. The spent smoke casing generally assumes a color somewhat near black after the smoke leaves.

I can't stand it anymore! If, as you say, light bulbs suck up darkness and convert it to smoke which is transmitted (via wire) to a power source for recycling...why do car batteries go dead when lights are left on? Do car batteries (and flashlight batteries for that matter) have a limited amount of storage capability? Is it like a hard drive that gets so full that you have to double-space and then lose all data?

Now you're getting it.......

I thought you guys were smarter than this. Of course the battery stores the smoke. In fact it can store so much smoke that if you open the top and light a match, the resulting explosion can do serious damage. I'm sure you are aware that usually where there's smoke there's fire. If you connect the battery to a charger, the smoke is then returned to the wire (Remember, a light bulb wont work unless it is connected to a wire system) for the utility companies to use. Your hard drive analogy is a very good example.

Our hardware guys might be onto something in their quest for superior wiring. I have noticed the unique method of of series/parallel wiring the power strips on our systems seems to prevent the smoke from getting out of the wires. A "Smoke Loop" of sorts. In the case of the "smoked" workstation recently, you should notice that this was a conventional single power strip installation.

Since color is perceived by the cone shaped receptors in our eyes, and cones require more light that their rod shaped counterparts. Is the sky blue at night?

At night the process including contraction of the pupil is visual purple by which the eye adapts to conditions of increased illumination when facing 300 candle power redeflecting devices.

Since there is a spectrum of light that we as humans cannot see, I support the theory that everything is going up in smoke, we just can't see it. This may explain why the neighbors dog barks for no apparent reason.

I think your basic understanding of smoke systems is remarkable. However I find a flaw with your theory. The battery is a reusable storage device for smoke. therefore, one would assume that some sort of one way valve (we can call it a diode) should be needed to prevent pressure flooding back into the system while at rest. Unlike the A/C system, the smoke system is collecting darkness at the headlights and converting it to smoke. This causes the system to fill up. The battery can contain much higher pressures and volumes than the wires. If this pressure exceeds the capacity of the wire, it will cause a rupture as you described. The rupture can be controlled by a sacrificial device known as a fuse. But this still doesn't eliminate the problem. Perhaps a two way valve (zener diode) is used to allow a small amount of pressure to return to the system, and partially equalize. I find this theory unlikely though, due to the increase in the force required to start the pump (which is now under pressure) working again...

The smoke continues circulating through the system, due to the pressure differential in the battery (smoke pressure/vacuum reservoir). When the reservoir becomes depleted, the pressure simply equalizes everywhere in the system (similar to an A/C system when it's turned off) and stuff just wont work. Notice the relations: Work (W) = Force (F) x Distance (D); Force (F) = total difference in pressure (Dp) x Area (A). Therefore, the work done in a pressure system is: Dp x A x D. If the pressure differential (Dp) is reduced to zero then W = 0 x A x D = 0.

The smoke only escapes the wires when a path is created between the pressure differential areas (@ either the reservoir or the pump) that has too little restriction. When this happens, the smoke travels through the wires so fast that the friction between the smoke and the outer walls of the wiring heats the wires until they rupture. The smoke continues to escape until its pressure is equalized with the atmosphere, or until the conduit that provides the path between pressure areas is severed. When this happens, the sudden drop in pressure allows the wires to "collapse" slightly and, being so hot, as the edges of the ruptures and severed ends touch, the material becomes fused, sealing the system and retaining the remaining smoke.

Don't forget, when the system is at rest, all the valves, (switches and relays) are closed, keeping the pressure areas separated. When restarting the pump, as long as everything is OK, the smoke pressure is equal on both sides of the pump and there is no net force on the pump when it begins operating again. Also, within the pump there are pressure/volume actuated one-way valves with restrictors built in, arranged in such a way that they keep excess smoke volume recirculating through an integral smoke loop, which maintains the pressure within manageable limits.

The excess smoke, created by the light/smoke converters (headlights and other darkness absorbing devices), is changed back to darkness and dissipated in small unit concentrations so its dark effect is not locally observed. The smoke pump impeller (stator), converts smoke into magnetic flux which does work on the engine. Some of the excess work energy is dissipated through the cooling system and exhaust in the form of heat, while the remaining work energy is converted back to smoke and distributed evenly in small concentrations as you drive. This maintains the total quantity of smoke in the system at an average that does not change over time.
 
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Bob, thank you for that. I now know what letting the smoke out means.
 
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It can be proved that smoke carries electricity by placing two leads of a neon transformer close to each other and then cause heavy smoke to cross between them and you'll see the electricity cross right over on the smoke. but as it crosses it does turn some of the electricity back to light.
 
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I have alot to say about this after much research and study but I have to go change the batteries in my "Electron Detector".
 
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Any one here ever hold a 4 ft flourescent tube next to a cb antenna that has a linear amp it lights up when mic is keyed.Another strange thing brought to my attention is a flickering flourescent can be solved by grabbing the tube and wrapping your hand around the tube and stroke it up and down a few times 180 degree the way it was installed prior to well this practice :D Low and behold no more flickering :D
 
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Residual electrons is why we carry 100 foot extension cords, they are able to hold enough residual electrons to drill a couple holes at jobsites with no power.
 
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There's enough electrons in that cord to do a lot more than that. Trouble is, they're lazy. They need a pushy boss to get 'em to work.
 
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If you need a cheap surge suppressor, tie knots in an extension cord. Ta-da. The knots keep the surge from passing.

The sad thing is that I really believe a long enough cord with enough knots would really work, but you have to tie them really tight.

Steve
 
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