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William1978 said:
All grounds would have to be made up here before you would get an rough inspection.
No you mean all grounds "should" be made prior to a rough-in inspection. As a number of people have pointed out the NEC doesn't say that it has to be that way. I'm slowly but surely learning to read the intire thread first before posting so as to not repeat what others have already said or to contradict what the popular (hence most likely correct) replies are. :)
 
steelersman said:
No you mean all grounds "should" be made prior to a rough-in inspection. As a number of people have pointed out the NEC doesn't say that it has to be that way.
No, but it makes sense, since the next time the inspector will the the job is after trim-out. I'd rather make up the EGC's now than have to remove any fixtures or devices and plates for them to be checked later.
 
LarryFine said:
I'd rather make up the EGC's now than have to remove any fixtures or devices and plates for them to be checked later.

Yes Larry exactly what I was saying and everyone has pretty much been saying and even what you had already said earlier. :)
 
steelersman said:
Yes Larry exactly what I was saying and everyone has pretty much been saying and even what you had already said earlier. :)
Yeah, but some people add onto existing threads without reading them through first. :wink:
 
steelersman said:
No you mean all grounds "should" be made prior to a rough-in inspection. As a number of people have pointed out the NEC doesn't say that it has to be that way. I'm slowly but surely learning to read the intire thread first before posting so as to not repeat what others have already said or to contradict what the popular (hence most likely correct) replies are. :)
No, I meant exactly what I said. If you call for a rough inspection and the grounds are not made up the rough inspection will be failed.
 
I make all splices during the rough and even make hooks for switches and outlets. The finish goes that much faster and there is no mess to clean up.
 
William1978 said:
No, I meant exactly what I said. If you call for a rough inspection and the grounds are not made up the rough inspection will be failed.
Maybe in your area but not for every area. Where in the code does it say that?
 
I do all grounds, except for pan boxes. Those I put a green screw in but typically just barely poke the wire into the box and then pull it all the way through after the sheetrock is up. I land everything the the ground and neutral bar in the panel. I leave the breakers out so no one can heat up anything I don't want to be.
 
William1978 said:
No, I meant exactly what I said. If you call for a rough inspection and the grounds are not made up the rough inspection will be failed.
Point is that what you said isn't true everywhere. IMO it should be. I think only an idiot would choose to not make the grounds and all other splices up in the rough in.
 
steelersman said:
Maybe in your area but not for every area. Where in the code does it say that?
It doesn't.

But then, the NEC also doesn't say we have to make up the grounds and neutrals in the panel, as well as feed a single GFCI-protected receptacle in order to get the OK to power up the service.

The AHJ does.
 
nolangro said:
I have a new inspector, who showed up today for a rough in inspection at a new home, this home is wired with romex and fiber glass nail on boxes, the inspector said every thing was good but he wants me to strip all my wires and install all the ground crimps or green wire nuts now, before the dry wall goes up, now my question is does the NEC require us to do this on a ruff in inspection?

I have never heard of doing it your way, we always made up everything before rough in. Can't imagine it any other way.
 
steelersman said:
Maybe in your area but not for every area. Where in the code does it say that?

The NEC does not say that, the NEC does not say you need inspections at all, the NEC does not say you need to be an electrician.

The NEC is not the only set of rules we must follow.

Licensing and inspection procedures are handled on a local level and the local inspector can be well within their authority to require grounds made up.

Why did we bring this thread from last July back to life?:confused: :confused:
 
brian john said:
I have never heard of doing it your way, we always made up everything before rough in. Can't imagine it any other way.

Brian, I certainly agree with you but nolangro's last visit to the forum was on 7/25/08.
 
LarryFine said:
It doesn't.

But then, the NEC also doesn't say we have to make up the grounds and neutrals in the panel, as well as feed a single GFCI-protected receptacle in order to get the OK to power up the service.

The AHJ does.
right. And just have some have said, some areas are ok with you doing the grounds in the final. I wouldn't do it but.....I all I was saying is that it's not an actual fact that you have to or else you will fail.

If I had made the statement then you surely would be correcting me. :)
 
steelersman said:
all I was saying is that it's not an actual fact that you have to or else you will fail.

Yes, in many locations it is an 'actual fact' and it has nothing to do with the NEC.

You can fail an inspection for reasons beyond the NEC.
 
iwire said:
Yes, in many locations it is an 'actual fact' and it has nothing to do with the NEC.

You can fail an inspection for reasons beyond the NEC.
Look I know you love trying to pick apart or find something wrong with alot that I say but the point is that William1978 said it as a blanket statement which would mean that it's universal everywhere so if I have to say it again then fine. I would never wait till the final to make up my grounds and other splices even if the inspector was ok with that because for one it's harder to do later rather than in the rough in. :)
 
Well I guess I am missing your point as nothing we say here is universal. Certainly not the NEC. I hold a license in 3 states and each has different amendments to the NEC.


Look I know you love trying to pick apart or find something wrong with alot that I say

Yes, it is my life's mission now. :roll:


Or it could be I just have a different view of this then you do.
 
iwire said:
Well I guess I am missing your point as nothing we say here is universal. Certainly not the NEC.

If I were to say: "you can't get a rough in inspection without making up your grounds first"

You would surely reply letting me know that the above is not true and that nowhere in the code does it say that and that it would depend on the AHJ. :)
 
steelersman said:
Look I know you love trying to pick apart or find something wrong with alot that I say but the point is that William1978 said it as a blanket statement which would mean that it's universal everywhere so if I have to say it again then fine. I would never wait till the final to make up my grounds and other splices even if the inspector was ok with that because for one it's harder to do later rather than in the rough in. :)
Did you not read my first post? I said All grounds would have to be made up here before you would get an rough inspection. Around here joints are required to be made before someone would call for a rough inspection. I'm not sure how it is else where luckly I have never had to work more than 20 miles from the house knock on wood.:D
 
William1978 said:
Did you not read my first post? I said All grounds would have to be made up here before you would get an rough inspection. Around here joints are required to be made before someone would call for a rough inspection. I'm not sure how it is else where luckly I have never had to work more than 20 miles from the house knock on wood.:D
yes I read your first post. I was saying that it may not be true everywhere that you HAVE to make up the grounds in order to get the rough. You were saying it as if it were universally true everywhere, that's all.
 
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