Romex connector in cover?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Smart $ said:
Do you live and or/work in Ohio?

If not, you may be surprised at what passes for acceptable around here if you ever visit. :D
Click to expand...

Never visited the great State of Ohio but, not surprised at anything passing. I live in Central Jawja. Our city Inspector was previously dog catcher for nearly 30 years. Great guy but....
 
tadavidson said:
sorry, securing rules are securing rules.
Click to expand...
I keep saying one of these cycles I'm going to propose that change to ...within 12" where external cable is longer than 12"... or something to that effect. At the rate I'm progressing on that front, it may not make into Code until after I pass. :(
 
tadavidson said:
sorry, securing rules are securing rules.
Click to expand...

Yes...the wire going into the new box is secured within 12" because it's secured by the connector to the old box. The wire going into the old box is secured within 12" because it's secured by the connector to the new box.

Not disagreeing with the last five words of your six word post. But your first word seems to suggest that you don't agree.
 
jaylectricity said:
Yes...the wire going into the new box is secured within 12" because it's secured by the connector to the old box. The wire going into the old box is secured within 12" because it's secured by the connector to the new box.

Not disagreeing with the last five words of your six word post. But your first word seems to suggest that you don't agree.
Click to expand...
Most everyone agrees with you in concept. However, cable connectors are not identified as a securing means other than at the termination... and practically all AHJ's out there do not accept them as a means of securement when within 12" of the other-end termination. Yes, it is stupidity ruling the day, but that's simply the way it is.
:weeping:
 
edward said:
Maybe accessibility issue? How can you pull the cover off to work on the panel?

Also, 110.(A)(8) and 110.3(B)
Click to expand...
Without a description and a picture from further back it is difficult to tell exactly what is what. That "panel" may be nothing more than a junction box now. If in fact it is a panel requiring 110 working clearance then I would consider it a violation. If it has no "energized" components then it wouldn't be any different than a 4S cover that has a factory knockout in it.
 
Smart $ said:
Most everyone agrees with you in concept. However, cable connectors are not identified as a securing means other than at the termination... and practically all AHJ's out there do not accept them as a means of securement when within 12" of the other-end termination. Yes, it is stupidity ruling the day, but that's simply the way it is.
:weeping:
Click to expand...
It is also hard to write a code that covers every possibility.

I don't know off the top of my head what current rules say, but not long ago they played with support rules of short sections of raceway.

Find me a "strap" that will actually provide any true support of a 4 inch GRC nipple 36" long that runs between two cabinets and has secure termination methods at each cabinet.

I know NM cable is not exactly the same thing, but is still hard to write rules to cover every possible situation that might come up.

If you have a one gang non metallic device box you don't even need a clamp on the box, but first support is reduced to 8 inches.

If you have two one gang boxes stacked nearly right on top of one another can you run a NM cable between them with no strap, staple etc. at all? If you do strap it because code thinks you should, what exactly did you accomplish besides meeting code?
 
kwired said:
...
If you have two one gang boxes stacked nearly right on top of one another can you run a NM cable between them with no strap, staple etc. at all? If you do strap it because code thinks you should, what exactly did you accomplish besides meeting code?
Click to expand...
Code does not explicitly say one way or the other... but my guess using nm boxes without cable clamps, the answer is no.

The impression I get from forum posts is most AHJ's will require securement whether the boxes have cable clamps or not.

In many cases, the securement is unnecessary... IMO ...especially where the box and cabling will be concealed.
 
jaylectricity said:
Yes...the wire going into the new box is secured within 12" because it's secured by the connector to the old box. The wire going into the old box is secured within 12" because it's secured by the connector to the new box.

Not disagreeing with the last five words of your six word post. But your first word seems to suggest that you don't agree.
Click to expand...

I don't agree with the work in the OP. And If I was the Inspector I would fail it for the securing if that's all I could do. The "electrician" could have, at least used an LB to achieve this "tap box". I would have possible let him slide on not securing it. And as for the simple 6 word post, I was taught to accomplish the task with the least amount of "talk" necessary.. Old habits are hard to break.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top