Romex Staple Gun

[480sparky]

I've had a couple of those arrow T-75 guns. Piece of junk. They jam a lot, and I ended up chucking one of `em into the trash.

I finally replaced the first one I bought back in '02 or '03 last year.

 

[M4gery]

I finally replaced the first one I bought back in '02 or '03 last year.

The box you pictures above, the #7510S, is that the exact staples that you used? I ask because I was about to order them on Amazon and I saw a couple complaints about them not going in all the way so I was wondering if maybe the shorter leg staples might work better?

 

[dmagyar]

Powerfast not too bad a tool

Powerfast not too bad a tool

About 6 years ago I bought a Powerfast stapler and after about a year I threw it out the first because it miss-fired all the time. About a year later I bought another as I got tired of jabbing my fingers reaching into my bag for staples.
Anyway the second one did the trick and has worked very well. Only problem like the other posts is that staples are available only at a premium (original cost of 400 staples about $12, now $35 online). It's either go that route or buy one of the Arrow T75 models.

 

[480sparky]

The box you pictures above, the #7510S, is that the exact staples that you used? I ask because I was about to order them on Amazon and I saw a couple complaints about them not going in all the way so I was wondering if maybe the shorter leg staples might work better?

They're not designed to 'go in all the way'. How far 'in' should they go? The stapler doesn't know if there's 14-2, 14-3, 12-2, 12-3, 10-2 or 10-3, so there's no way it can 'go in all the way'.

There's no requirement that any staple you use, with a gun or by the old hammer-n-finger method, be 'tight' against the cable.

 

[readydave8]

I didn't really like my T-75 Arrow very well, but I still use it now and then in a tight place or on large exposed LV that are too big for T-25.

But I never knew about holding it flat on wire, maybe that's why it jammed so much.

Both my T-25's and T-75 rarely work in upside down position (end staple comes out closest to the ground.)

 

[M4gery]

They're not designed to 'go in all the way'. How far 'in' should they go? The stapler doesn't know if there's 14-2, 14-3, 12-2, 12-3, 10-2 or 10-3, so there's no way it can 'go in all the way'.

There's no requirement that any staple you use, with a gun or by the old hammer-n-finger method, be 'tight' against the cable.

I figure that once the staple hits the NM it stops, whatever size NM you are using, similar to my low voltage staple gun. I like the staple to be a bit snug so it holds the cable straight instead of letting it droop in between.

 

[PetrosA]

Yep. I staple into the 2x3's that form the top and bottom flanges, not the particle-board web.

Hmm, I've stapled to the top ledge of the bottom 2x3 a few times in basements that probably won't get finished but it doesn't seem like a really safe place to staple to nor can you get more than about two cables next to each other. I would never staple that close on the bottom of a regular joist that were getting drywalled. Doesn't stapling to the side of the top 2x3 put your cable too close to the bottom of the floor? I thought you need to be 1 1/2" from the top of the joist?

 

[480sparky]

I figure that once the staple hits the NM it stops, whatever size NM you are using, similar to my low voltage staple gun. I like the staple to be a bit snug so it holds the cable straight instead of letting it droop in between.

It takes more force to drive the staple into the wood than the cable will provide in resistance. That's why it's only made to drive the staples in so far. Again, there's no requirement that the staple be flush, so why go to the expense of making stapler to do so?

If you want your staples flush, fine.... but that's not the staplers' problem.

 

[goldstar]

I don't believe there's anything in the code that requires you have to "drive the staples home". As long as it holds the wire 1 1/4" away from the front edge of a 2 x 4 that's adequate. Look at cable stackers, they just barely hold the wire in place.

 

[LarryFine]

Hmm, I've stapled to the top ledge of the bottom 2x3 a few times in basements that probably won't get finished but it doesn't seem like a really safe place to staple to nor can you get more than about two cables next to each other.

The bottom of the top flange is 1.5" thick, as is the top of the bottom flange, but, if the flooring is done, the top flange should be safe.

For several cables, try a stacker. Here is an LV home run, and the stacker is nailed into the web:

 

[PetrosA]

Larry, I like the way that looks and I wouldn't have thought of turning the stackers sideways. Thanks for the idea!

 

[LarryFine]

Larry, I like the way that looks and I wouldn't have thought of turning the stackers sideways. Thanks for the idea!

Yer welcome. By the way, I bend the nail-tips down on the other side of the web if they're loose in the particle board.

 

[JOHNEO99]

I'm not a fan of the staple guns because like someone else said they can only be used 60% of the time. I get annoyed trying to get at rope in certain angles with those things. If you are gonna do a bunch of rope u should make some of these.

 

[480sparky]

I'm not a fan of the staple guns because like someone else said they can only be used 60% of the time. I get annoyed trying to get at rope in certain angles with those things. If you are gonna do a bunch of rope u should make some of these.

How does a messy van help?

 

[JOHNEO99]

just unloaded a storage trailer sir


i know that u know that i know that u know wat I'm talkin about

 

[Pronto]

Where do you guys buy the staples for the T75? I'm looking everywhere (supply houses/fastener suppliers) and they all look at me funny when I tell them the 7510S model number or any number for the T75... I see that Amazon has the stapler and the 7514S, but I can't find the 7510S. Anyone have any ideas where I can get a box locally?

T75 all day long. The staples aren't that much... maybe $9/box. It won't work in ALL staple situations, but it works for 75% of 'em. And you can staple NM in places you would never be able to hammer.

Just make sure to use the staples designed for NM. I carry an empty box in the truck just to show the occasional inspector who's never run across them.

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[M4gery]

The 7510S is up for sale on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Arrow-Fastener-7510S-Staples-000-Pack/dp/B00004Z2IZ/ref=pd_bxgy_hi_img_c

 

[George Stolz]

There's no requirement that any staple you use, with a gun or by the old hammer-n-finger method, be 'tight' against the cable.

I think 110.12 could be applied, and I'd get downright giddy writing 334.30 on the red tag.

334.30 Securing and Supporting. Nonmetallic-sheathed cable shall be supported and secured by staples, cable ties, straps, hangers, or similar fittings...

If it's sliding all over the place, I'd have a hard time calling it "secured".

 

[fireryan]

Can you put more than 1 wire under these staples or not? Dont look like it

 

[goldstar]

I've never had a problem with 2 flat cables under one staple. BTW, I use the insulated staples.

There's an Arrow factory here in Saddle Brook, NJ. You can try ordering direct from them. They're not that far away from me so I usually do the cash & carry thing when I'm in the area.