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mtnelect

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Southern California
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An a/c compressor can be fed with 8 Romex and fused ad 50 amps if minimum circuit ampacity on name plate is 40 or less but requires larger minimum fuse for startup

The MOP is the maximum suggestion limit, but you can use less, if it doesn't trip at that level. It's only a "Suggestion" from the manufacturer.
 

letgomywago

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Washington state and Oregon coast
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residential electrician
Can you even get copper SE? Supply houses around me claim it's not available. Every EV charger I've installed indicate CU conductor only.
Yes it's available I buy it for furnaces all the time. 4-4-6 copper is very common and honestly a great price at the moment vs using aluminum 2 SE cable which is harder to source and needs to convert to copper anyway. When I did the large lightning one I ended up doing 1 ser fished in the basement to the panel about 75 ft to a junction box and then 3 copper to the charger in conduit.
 

kwired

Electron manager
Location
NE Nebraska
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EC
My point.

There are numerous items throughout the code that are mis interpreted by inspectors.

I’m not getting down on anyone just saying that even “black and white” as you refer to it as is neither understood or enforced by many AHJ’s

Surprisingly I believe very little bad ever comes from the allowances that are made in error during inspections.

Leads one to believe that there is a lot of forgiveness in the way the code is laid out.

Things done wrong are still safe enough to withstand the load or burden put on them.

Just my opinion.
True to some extent. Lot of things in code are somewhat conservative on the side of safety.

At same time if you have something that draws 48 amps, you may get away with 6 AWG @60C conductor or even 8 AWG @ 75C conductor for a very long time if it is something that has relatively low demand characteristics, even if NEC says you must treat it as a continuous load. But if you have same amount of load that runs 24/7 and most of the year, it may show signs of overheating in rather short time.
 

kwired

Electron manager
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NE Nebraska
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EC
Can you even get copper SE? Supply houses around me claim it's not available. Every EV charger I've installed indicate CU conductor only.
Probably not enough demand for it in your area that nobody is stocking it. They likely need to purchase in minimum quantities and don't want to if it isn't going to sell very fast.

Larger the supply chain, the more likely they can get it from another branch at the very least. Though that doesn't exactly help you when you go to the counter and want it today.
 

letgomywago

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Washington state and Oregon coast
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residential electrician
Probably not enough demand for it in your area that nobody is stocking it. They likely need to purchase in minimum quantities and don't want to if it isn't going to sell very fast.

Larger the supply chain, the more likely they can get it from another branch at the very least. Though that doesn't exactly help you when you go to the counter and want it today.
I buy it all the time from the local supply house in cut lengths
 

Fred B

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Upstate, NY
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Electrician
Probably not enough demand for it in your area that nobody is stocking it. They likely need to purchase in minimum quantities and don't want to if it isn't going to sell very fast.

Larger the supply chain, the more likely they can get it from another branch at the very least. Though that doesn't exactly help you when you go to the counter and want it today.
So far mostly you from western states indicate availability. Here will get this crossed eye look and comments they never heard of such a thing. Get the same response on many items that would make life easier on the job and most new products takes years to get.
 

letgomywago

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Washington state and Oregon coast
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residential electrician
So far mostly you from western states indicate availability. Here will get this crossed eye look and comments they never heard of such a thing. Get the same response on many items that would make life easier on the job and most new products takes years to get.
Gotta change that supplier's will change what they stock if you want the product just tell them you're going to be ordering online if they don't start and they will.
 

Birken Vogt

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Grass Valley, Ca
I buy it all the time from the local supply house in cut lengths
Major western supply house that starts with P indicates cut lengths are being made only in Or and Wa and not in stock anywhere else. What they stock seems to be a small selection, #4 and #4/0 SER and #6 and #4 SEU, a few others exist in the catalog but no stock company wide.
 

kwired

Electron manager
Location
NE Nebraska
Occupation
EC
So far mostly you from western states indicate availability. Here will get this crossed eye look and comments they never heard of such a thing. Get the same response on many items that would make life easier on the job and most new products takes years to get.
My main supply house seems to not have things in stock at the local location. Just Friday I wanted some 8 bare solid as I have a swimming pool project I need it for. They don't stock it. Not many are using it I imagine. Not that there aren't any pools at all but not that many being installed at any given time either. They do stock it in their Omaha location and I will have it tomorrow.
 

letgomywago

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Washington state and Oregon coast
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residential electrician
My main supply house seems to not have things in stock at the local location. Just Friday I wanted some 8 bare solid as I have a swimming pool project I need it for. They don't stock it. Not many are using it I imagine. Not that there aren't any pools at all but not that many being installed at any given time either. They do stock it in their Omaha location and I will have it tomorrow.
Bare 8 is avaible at big box stores. Remind them of this and that they need it if they want to last.
 

kwired

Electron manager
Location
NE Nebraska
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EC
Bare 8 is avaible at big box stores. Remind them of this and that they need it if they want to last.
If there were lots of pools installed on a regular basis maybe would be smart for them to stock it. meanwhile they can typically have it from the other location the next business day as they run a transfer truck between locations every day. Similar with some other cables or conductors that don't sell very fast they often need to come from the Omaha location. But that location has a lot more stock and variety than stores in surrounding areas.

I don't know what price difference is, probably find out tomorrow when I get my order of wire. Prices can be better one day at big box and better the next at supply house, mostly only on 14-2, 12-2 maybe even 14-3, 12-3 NM cable. I've found most all other wire and cable is normally better priced at supply house.
 

letgomywago

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Location
Washington state and Oregon coast
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residential electrician
If there were lots of pools installed on a regular basis maybe would be smart for them to stock it. meanwhile they can typically have it from the other location the next business day as they run a transfer truck between locations every day. Similar with some other cables or conductors that don't sell very fast they often need to come from the Omaha location. But that location has a lot more stock and variety than stores in surrounding areas.

I don't know what price difference is, probably find out tomorrow when I get my order of wire. Prices can be better one day at big box and better the next at supply house, mostly only on 14-2, 12-2 maybe even 14-3, 12-3 NM cable. I've found most all other wire and cable is normally better priced at supply house.
Cut lengths is always cheaper at supply house. Fittings and specialty items too. Only things sometimes cheaper are maybe small romex and certain breakers but not the majority of plug on breakers just the ones people look up to compare pricing.
 

farmantenna

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mass
luckily I live in Massachusetts which amended 334.80(?) so you're not restricted to 60deg ampacity if not in thermal insulation, which makes sense. The wire insulation is 90deg just like MC so why restrict to 60 degree ampacity.
 

retirede

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Location
Illinois
Tell me the code sections that say this is a violation please

210.19(A)(1)(a)
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48A x 1.25 = 60A. #6NM has an allowable ampacity of 55A.
 
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