RV receptacle

[Farmfly]

Hey everybody, just wondering if I to install a RV receptacle 50 amp 240 V outside. Does that have to be on a GFI breaker or can I put that on a standard to plow 50 breaker?

 

[acrwc10]

See 210.8(A) & 210.8(B)

 

[mopowr steve]

May not be quite that simple.
Depending on the location\use of this receptacle it could fall under article 551 which also has a TIA that allows it to not be GFCI protected

 

[mtnelect]

This might help to explain.

 

[mopowr steve]

I am referring to the TIA attached to 551.71(F)
Although the hvac is another angle.

 

[mopowr steve]

See 210.8(A) & 210.8(B)

See 551.71(F) TIA

 

[mtnelect]

If you have an RV as big as a house, I can understand how these RV parks are needing power upgrades.

 

[AC\DC]

you got to look at your states Amendments. Your seems to say you still have to have that GFCI.
Dump looks like oregon going that way this year.

 

[Little Bill]

Can't say for any other areas, but here the inspectors are allowing us to omit the GFCI. The RVs have GFCI protection inside.

 

[hillbilly1]

Put in one last month, called the inspector to find what code cycle they were on, he said they were requiring gfi, but due to shortages, if I didn’t, he wouldn’t turn me down.

 

[AC\DC]

Put in one last month, called the inspector to find what code cycle they were on, he said they were requiring gfi, but due to shortages, if I didn’t, he wouldn’t turn me down.

Who legally responsible? If something was to happen.

 

[Little Bill]

Who legally responsible? If something was to happen.

Do you know of any problems from lack of GFCI protection on a feeder/service for an RV before this rule was adopted?

 

[AC\DC]

Not saying it’s a problem, but if something does come down, who would be responsible in the situation he mentioned?
I think all this gfci is a tad overkill even if it does help.

 

[ptonsparky]

We installed a simple 30A RV receptacle for a customers residence when we upgraded the SE. My opinion at the time was that it required GFCI. Glad we did. The food shack she plugged into it was riddled with DIY, rodent damaged wiring. She junked the trailer.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

See 210.8(A) & 210.8(B)

The 2020 code has a specific rule for this in 210.8(F).

 

[don_resqcapt19]

See 551.71(F) TIA

If this receptacle is at a dwelling unit, the rules in 551 do not apply to the receptacle. Those in 210.8, specifically 210.8(F), do.

 

[hillbilly1]

Who legally responsible? If something was to happen.

I was able to find both a 30 amp single pole and a 50 amp two pole online, so I’m not worried about it. Had plenty of space too. The customer wanted to have future EV and solar connections, so I also found a meter/main 3r loadcenter that was solar rated. Supply house here never heard of a solar rated panel.

 

[kwired]

Hey everybody, just wondering if I to install a RV receptacle 50 amp 240 V outside. Does that have to be on a GFI breaker or can I put that on a standard to plow 50 breaker?

Which edition of NEC applies?

2017 - if at a dwelling not required. Not at a dwelling probably so.

2020 - probably required regardless of dwelling or non dwelling.

Then comes what may or may not been amended where this is at.

 

[AC\DC]

I was able to find both a 30 amp single pole and a 50 amp two pole online, so I’m not worried about it. Had plenty of space too. The customer wanted to have future EV and solar connections, so I also found a meter/main 3r loadcenter that was solar rated. Supply house here never heard of a solar rated panel.

Same here, I’ll have to look that up

So quick look seems there ratted at 120% the typical panel rating