Same inspector and another fantasy code

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tshea said:
bphgravity said:
Every municipality and county has a code board of appeals. You have rights and the building department is responsible for facilitating your rights and give you the proper hearing to state your case.

If not, they are violating their public duty and you can file a tort case for malicious prosecution.
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And if that doesn't work there's always Tony Soprano! :lol:

Seriously, the inspector has already violated his position by refusing to cite a Code article to relocate the panel.
On the flip side, you could blame the plumber. Tell the so called electrical inspector that your panel was in place and the plumber added the water source.



On a positive note, drop a copy of the IAEI magazine off for him to read along with a copy of SOARE'S book on grounding.
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That was a great idea about having to plumber move his work. I would still go the distance and go to the mayor and ask why this happen. Maybe the inspector needs more training.
Jim
 
mpd said:
jim w

what would you take him to court for? board of appeals is where you would take him
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Depends on what you want.If i got to go thru all this to get him to back down its gonna cost him more than a simple "ok i will pass it"
This jerk needs to get fired.I would be going after damages.
 
Naw, I do not want anybody sued or fired at all. I would prefer it if he would get some further training. A few years back when I first started visiting here I was full of urban myth myself. I would accept what I had heard from other j-men without bothering to really check it out. Now I think I am pretty much the opposite, I always refer to my code book, It gets worn out pretty quickly, my 2005 is already pretty beat up. It just sometimes gripes me when I get "inspected" by somebody who is not to clear on what is actually in the code, and further I get a bit hot under the collar when that leads to making unessesary changes.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
They never play that game of my code book is at home with me.I ask them if they want me to go get mine.Tune changes fast.
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During lunch I went out to the parking lot and got my 05' book. Dude still insisted an inspector was going to fail my stuff, then started in on how a EMT coupling was a terminator and needed support within 3'. Guy was hardcore. A good pipe bender, but there were some odd conversations during the day :lol:
 
tonyi said:
Jim W in Tampa said:
They never play that game of my code book is at home with me.I ask them if they want me to go get mine.Tune changes fast.
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During lunch I went out to the parking lot and got my 05' book. Dude still insisted an inspector was going to fail my stuff, then started in on how a EMT coupling was a terminator and needed support within 3'. Guy was hardcore. A good pipe bender, but there were some odd conversations during the day :lol:
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I had 2 of these kind of guys friday under me.First one was under belief that ground had to be up and that the code says so_Other one was a new hire that has been a pain in the $ss all week.He said we cant install 15 amp receptacles on a 20 amp branch circuit.Both declined by offer to go get my book.Its not really there fault,they just repeating what some other person told them.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Its not really there fault,they just repeating what some other person told them.
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It's been said that the real problem plaguing our society isn't ignorance, it's that too many people know too many things that just ain't so.

There's a real difference in conviction between not knowing something and knowing something wrongly. You can often cure the former with education, for instance. The latter usually requires a bat. :)
 
Seems to be a lot of people who can't (or won't) distinguish between NEC, local amendments, and a particular job's specs.
 
An issue that is over looked here is that if the inspector in question is claiming things to be code that are not, who's to say he is not out there approving work that is not and he thinks it is............ I would put the concern over his inacuracies under a big safety question mark complaint and let the municapality start worrying over what kind of liability he may be leaving behind in his normal days of buisness. He is blatently demonstrating a lack of knowledge of the code, and performing his job as the responsible party on behalf of, and in place of the municapailty itself.
 
hardworkingstiff said:
jeff43222 said:
Except that usually public officials have immunity from being sued.
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Can you bring suit against the AHJ for his actions? That will get someones attention.
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Most are at county level and are not protected.Yes you can sue the gov. not easy but if you win they will be able to pay.Bringing the suit alone will get some action fast.If need be go after his job (last resort).Keep in mind they are exspected to be responsable and they charged high dollars for the service you must buy.They should at least know the code.Usually they will back down if you are right,more often tho it is a violation that you did not catch yourself.Most inspectors deserve respect but like cops some are the wrong kind.The bad causes the reputation be what it is.
 
Just remember one thing: with the exception of the USPS, governments don't make money; they spend ours. If anyone wins a lawsuit against a governmental body, some of the award comes from their own pocket, and some of it comes from ours!
 
jim w

have you ever sued an inspector for damages for a wrong or incompetent
inspections? if yes how much were you awarded? was the guy fired and sent to live in exile? I better be careful I do not want to get the death penalty for a wrong code interpretation
 
Try calling one of his peers in a different city or entity. Have them call the Inspector and talk with him. Also you could have another person, State inspector, head of local IAEI, instructor at a local ATC or CC call him. In the mean time, we welcome good electricians, contractors, and skiers in Salt Lake City. Come on over the snow is fine. We still have resorts open.
 
mpd said:
jim w

have you ever sued an inspector for damages for a wrong or incompetent
inspections? if yes how much were you awarded? was the guy fired and sent to live in exile? I better be careful I do not want to get the death penalty for a wrong code interpretation
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It never had to go that far but i did get one demoted to office work and out of the field.As i said earlier most are good at there job and will cite a number if asked and i have won several cases with them still being a friend.We can all make mistakes and i hope when i make one they find it so i can fix it.
 
jim w

you said you got one inspector demoted to office work and out of the field,
so now that same inspector is reviewing plans and making code interpretations on the phone and at the counter to homeowners and contractors, who won? I will answer that , nobody
 
mpd said:
jim w

you said you got one inspector demoted to office work and out of the field,
so now that same inspector is reviewing plans and making code interpretations on the phone and at the counter to homeowners and contractors, who won? I will answer that , nobody
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Its not easy for them to just fire someone.For my part i got a bad inspector off my jobs.When they red tag non violations they cost the EC time and money.With enough calls about a inspector they take a look at why.We are not all cut out to be an inspector.
 
The lawsuit comment was made for the inspector that makes up rules. Most of the inspectors I have come across are willing to discuss issues and look at the code. I've yet to come across one (hope I never do) that really needed something as drastic as a lawsuit to get them to look at the code.
 
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