Saturday Morning Service Call (money)

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jaylectricity

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I know I write a lot but I read a lot of threads where the OP flys through his story asking for advice where everybody has to ask questions to figure everything out. Please bear with me.

The ringing of the phone woke me up this morning at about 9am. It was the first time I slept that much all week. It was a lady who had been referred by one of my original customers (MOC) from when I first got my license. MOC has always gotten pretty good prices from me.

This lady had just purchased the house next door to MOC and last night most of the power in her house went out. She specifically used the words, "I know it's Saturday but I was hoping you could come over..." As she described it, "everything is out except for a light in the kitchen, the fridge and the front porch light." Right away I knew that she was probably missing a phase.

She was off to Boston but she said that she left the house unlocked. I went over and opened the panel and tested the legs on the main. They were both hot, but the busbar was only hot on one phase. The breaker was installed on the busbar the same way any two-pole breaker would be and it was obviously damaged by heat and corrosion near the busbar. Oddly enough the more physically damaged pole was working but the other was not.

I just so happened to have a fairly new 100 amp breaker for that panel complete with screw and washer to lock it in that I had robbed from a demolition over the winter. So I went outside and pulled the meter off so I could replace the main breaker. I called the supply house to find out the price on a similar breaker of $35. Everything was all set, probably took me less than an hour for everything involved.

The way I see it I charged $50 to open the panel, $100 to pull the meter, $60 for the breaker and $40 to actually pull the breaker off, turn 2 screws two different times. I called the lady but before we got to the money part of the conversation she asked what to do to prevent it from happening again. I told her that the previous owner was probably giving the breaker a workout and she may want to upgrade her service. She said she planned on remodeling the kitchen (It was a big size kitchen) and putting an addition plus other remodeling. She also mentioned that she had been speaking to contractors who all agreed she needed to upgrade her service.

After I told her how much to write the check for she just repeated in a seemingly calm tone, "Two hundred and fifty dollars? OK." and we said goodbye and hung up.

I won't lose sleep over charging $250 to get out of bed on a Saturday on short notice and restore power to her house, but do you suppose she'll consider me for that other work she wants to do? I wondered if her contractors would probably have their own electricians anyway.

Any thoughts on the price, and what you might believe this customer is thinking about would be appreciated. Thank you.
 
Moved a CB for $200 one Saturday....no material at all ...literally around the corner from me.
Advised the HO to swap out the panel...never called back.
 
Saturday was on a job at 6:00 AM left job at 7:30, solved problem,

4 hours at 150.00 plus 100.00 test equipment rental, barely made it home when I went to another call. As mentioned in another post off hour calls are SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, charge what you feel is fair based upon working above and beyond the general population norm.

To me it seems your billing is in line...but if you want extra work from this customer discuss it with her. A happy customer will get you more than a few extra dollars.
 
After reading Brian's comments...I got burned (not by the comments, but by my price).

A Saturday callout should be a minimum of 4 hrs - regardless if the actual time involved is 4 hours or 40 seconds.

I messed up.
Won't happen again.

This callout was in response to a call that was answered by the local FD. The panel was "making noises". Yeah, that shoulda been more.
 
The last Saturday morning service call I did was also one the FD got sent to. House got hit by lightning. The HO found some circuits dead and the smell of smoke. When I got there, I found one side of the panel with no power. I checked the top side of the meter, and no juice. So I call the Poco.
The HO figured I would leave and just let the Poco take care of the problem, but I wasn't done yet. I walked around the house, and noticed some rooms had a stronger smell of smoke that others. I eventually found where the lightning had hit the house. It came down a rain gutter and jumped into a 14/3 between two split receps in an upstairs bedroom. I found 5 boxes upstairs that had been blown apart, one of which had a bed pushed right up against it with an electric blanket plugged in. Bedding was scorched, two or three feet of the cord was missing, and the stud next to the device box looked like it had been hit with a shotgun blast. Only the metal of the recep survived. One cover was blown across the room, lots of scorching and burnt devices.

Cost of fire department to respond: $0.00. My bill: $430. Peace of mind: Priceless.
 
Sounds like she was looking for a deal as much as she was an electrician. It's very rarely I walk away from a job wishing I had charged less. Your prices seem fair and accurate. I think it's fair for a scheduled job, let alone to respond like you did.
 
A reasonable price for fixing a nasty problem on a Saturday morning with such short notice.

I've done similar before, and thought the customer would never call me back. Surprise, surprise! I've been given more work on numerous occasions by that same customer. IF they thought my prices were too high, they would have gotten someone else. Maybe they did call others, and after they discovered my prices were in line with what other contractors would charge, they continue to call on me.

There have been others that you never hear from again.

Win some, lose the others (which you really don't want anyways) ..:cool:
 
I changed a 50 amp breaker today for an A/C cond, $220.00 plain and simple job. Your customer has nothing to complain about.
 
Thank you guys for the peace of mind. I probably could have charged more but I feel fine with the money I got. I've been working three 11-hour days a week for a master electrician for a steady source of income.

By the way, when I was at the house I noticed that MOC wasn't home. The lady customer mentioned that they just closed the home the day before so she either called MOC in the morning or had already talked to her about electricians in the area.

I will take the advice about talking with this customer and ask her about the other work she is expecting to have done. I'll pick up the check Monday and probably call her and say something along the lines of, "Hi, I just stopped by your house and picked up the check...thank you. Have you considered who you want for an electrician for (those other projects)?"

Should I maybe call MOC and talk to her about the situation and see if she can help me out? The MOC told me during my last job that she didn't mind pissing off the carpenter (cuz he was a friend of hers) but she didn't want to piss me off. Funny thing is I don't think she's ever seen me angry.

OK...sorry for the rambling. :cool:
 
Before I knew better than to call for outside help, I had my main disconnect (100A) jam at 11pm.

I called the local 24/7 sparky since I didn't have a 100A main handy, not to mention a POCO seal for the meter. He comes out 45 minutes later, opens the box, takes his linesman's pliers and gives the thing a good whack. Bingo...

Never would have occurred to me to just beat on the thing like an old TV set.

The whole transaction took about 3 minutes, 2-1/2 of which was discussing whether to pop in a 60A temporarily or just wait till morning to track down a 100A, and commiserating about the corrosive effect of living so close to the ocean.

$150.
 
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The companies I have worked for will not roll to a unplanned service call off hours without a 4 hour minimum at either time and half or double time. There is also a truck charge and a mileage charge.

One of these calls was for some lights out in a large chain store....I got there and flipped the light switch on the wall that was hidden by a clip board hanging over it. I knew right where it was as all the stores are very much the same. :grin:

My time in the store was about 5 minutes.....mostly filling out the slip....cost was at least $500 and of course I get my 4 hr min at time and half. :cool:
 
iwire said:
The companies I have worked for will not roll to a unplanned service call off hours without a 4 hour minimum at either time and half or double time. There is also a truck charge and a mileage charge.

One of these calls was for some lights out in a large chain store....I got there and flipped the light switch on the wall that was hidden by a clip board hanging over it. I knew right where it was as all the stores are very much the same. :grin:

My time in the store was about 5 minutes.....mostly filling out the slip....cost was at least $500 and of course I get my 4 hr min at time and half. :cool:


try doing that to Mrs. Jones....wanna see sparks fly?

Resi and commercial are 2 different beasts...in iwire's case, the people at the store will never know the costs, and the people paying the bills will never really know what happened on the call...and no one is paying with their own money...

you can get the rate in resi, you just have to tell them what the total bill will be. try billing 4 hrs at 1.5x to go flip the emergency switch for the furnace...you will have an incredibly pissed of HO...but, tell them there is trip charge + a min service call fee and they will pay the bill.

it's all a game, you just gotta know what field you are playing on...
 
emahler said:
Resi and commercial are 2 different beasts...

No doubt. :grin:

Why would anyone want to deal with the hassles of homeowners. :grin:


emahler said:
in iwire's case, the people at the store will never know the costs, and the people paying the bills will never really know what happened on the call...

90% of the time that is exactly the case. :smile:

I might have even helped the store manger out by writing it up as a bad breaker. :cool:

It happened in the call I described above the Manager was quite aware his store would be getting a 4 hr + charge for flipping a light switch.....he was pretty upset....but not with me......with the employees who lost track of the light switch.:cool:

Soon we should be giving the customers priced T&M sheets to sign.....that should be intresting......now they will see what they are signing for.
 
iwire said:
The companies I have worked for will not roll to a unplanned service call off hours without a 4 hour minimum at either time and half or double time. There is also a truck charge and a mileage charge.

One of these calls was for some lights out in a large chain store....I got there and flipped the light switch on the wall that was hidden by a clip board hanging over it. I knew right where it was as all the stores are very much the same. :grin:

My time in the store was about 5 minutes.....mostly filling out the slip....cost was at least $500 and of course I get my 4 hr min at time and half. :cool:


i got into the same deal, got a call from a store their coffe maker had no power i go in and flip the switch that says power. same thing 4 hour min at time and a half.
 
iwire said:
Soon we should be giving the customers priced T&M sheets to sign.....that should be intresting......now they will see what they are signing for.

That will be a mistake...it's one thing to list the parts used (sans prices) and list the guys there...but once you start listing times and prices...now peoples cheapness kicks in and they start questioning you...on the spot. good luck with that
 
iwire said:
Why would anyone want to deal with the hassles of homeowners. :grin:


No one really wants the hassles of dealing with homeowners but residential service is such a huge market. Around 1980 none of the major manufacturers of computers thought that marketing to the individual was worth the effort but they were wrong.
 
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