Sconce lights in brick

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infinity said:
I agree, but how would that make it code compliant when the fixture weighs more than 6 pounds as Augie mentioned in post #12?
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Good point. I hadn't actually looked up 314.24(A)(1) exception prior to posting. I guess it would still be a violation.

Seems a little crazy to me that a 1 gang metal box with 8/32 screws and securely mounted to/in a wall can't be assumed to hold more than a 6 lb fixture.
 
marmathsen said:
Good point. I hadn't actually looked up 314.24(A)(1) exception prior to posting. I guess it would still be a violation.

Seems a little crazy to me that a 1 gang metal box with 8/32 screws and securely mounted to/in a wall can't be assumed to hold more than a 6 lb fixture.
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A lot of times the slots in a mounting bracket won't line up with a single gang box anyway, so it feels like a natural adjustment to just raise the bracket a little bit and mount it to the brick
 
For lights, I use an octagon box, and for receptacles, I use a SG masonry box. Octagon boxes may not be listed for outdoor but I've never been called on it. I used to only use masonry boxes but found that some lights can't be mounted on them due to the mounting strap and the way lights need to be mounted to keep them level/straight. Also, I had some lights with a small canopy that wouldn't cover the masonry box completely.
 
Little Bill said:
For lights, I use an octagon box, and for receptacles, I use a SG masonry box. Octagon boxes may not be listed for outdoor but I've never been called on it. I used to only use masonry boxes but found that some lights can't be mounted on them due to the mounting strap and the way lights need to be mounted to keep them level/straight. Also, I had some lights with a small canopy that wouldn't cover the masonry box completely.
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I stubbed out octagon boxes once about 20 years ago, and the bricklayers refused to set them because they don't fit neatly between two bricks.

I didn't know about the refusal until finish, when I saw the cables were stubbed through the brick and the boxes were hanging 🤬🤬

Those lights got installed without boxes, and I've never again tried to get cute with the octagons 😁
 
James L said:
I stubbed out octagon boxes once about 20 years ago, and the bricklayers refused to set them because they don't fit neatly between two bricks.

I didn't know about the refusal until finish, when I saw the cables were stubbed through the brick and the boxes were hanging 🤬🤬

Those lights got installed without boxes, and I've never again tried to get cute with the octagons 😁
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It sounds like those brick masons need a good saw and a guy that can read a tape measure. I've also only used 4/0 octagon boxes stubbed out. I've never had any trouble with them setting them neatly.
 
Rick 0920 said:
It sounds like those brick masons need a good saw and a guy that can read a tape measure. I've also only used 4/0 octagon boxes stubbed out. I've never had any trouble with them setting them neatly.
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It’s not about them getting it neat, it’s they get paid by the brick, more cuts slows them down. One or two, not a big deal to them, but a wall of them upsets them. LOL!
 
The first school job I was on, the lead electrician and the brick masons were at war with each other. I never found out why, but they were putting mortar in his lunch bucket, he was filling their’s up with yellow 77!
 
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