Re: sec210.11(C)(3) Bathroom branch circuits
I think here is the problem to this: 210.11 requires a 20 amp branch circuit to supply the bathroom receptacle outlet(s). This is the primary intent.Which does not stop us from supplying all the bathroom receptacles in every bathroom in the dwelling. But if we only supply one bathroom then
210.11 Exception allows us to "other outlets" within this same bathroom. As we know the word "outlet" is defined in article 100 as
A point on the wiring system at which current is taken to supply utilization equipment.
So this would allow all "outlets" to be supplied by this 20 amp bathroom circuit. But then the exception refers us to do this in accordance with 210.23(A) which say's
A) 15- and 20-Ampere Branch Circuits. A 15- or 20-ampere branch circuit shall be permitted to supply lighting units or other utilization equipment, or a combination of both, and shall comply with 210.23(A)(1) and (A)(2).
Which seems to allow the light's to also be supplied from this circuit but then we read the exception:
The small appliance branch circuits, laundry branch circuits, and bathroom branch circuits required in a dwelling unit(s) by 210.11(C)(1), (2), and (3) shall supply only the receptacle outlets specified in that section.
(I always thought exceptions were permissible)
Which goes back to sounding like it is limiting this circuit to only receptacle outlets.
this very same exception that we quote when we state that the micro-Mate over the range can not be on the SA circuit isn't it? so how can the same exception have two different meanings?
If we apply the meaning that we use with SA circuits, then this exception is saying that the bathroom circuit can not supply other cord and plug connected equipment that is fasten in place. Example would be Hydromassage bathtubs, a heated towel rack, a insta-heat under the sink water heater, Etc... But this would also imply that it would not be allowed to supply lighting ether? As the SA circuits or laundry circuit is not allowed to supply?
The 2005 change does nothing to clear this up as all it did is maybe clear up that this circuit is allowed to supply more than one bathroom but the exceptions change to refer to 210.23(A)(1) and (A)(2) only bolsters the "no lighting" thinking as nether one of these two articles have nothing to do with lighting as they are only for cord and plug connected equipment????
Maybe we can all band together and come up with a proposal to change this for 2008? like the removal of this stupid exception in 210.23(A) because the articles for the other required circuits already have the requirements for which outlets are allowed to be supplied by these circuits. Or could be changed to say so.
[ December 04, 2004, 01:45 AM: Message edited by: hurk27 ]