seperate circuit for fridge, gas stove and small hood fan ok ?

[detroitelectrician]

In a very small kitchen, I thought I was going above the code when I installed two small appliance circuits and a third circuit for the fridge, stove and hood. However The AHJ gave me a red tag at ruff inspection. Another inspector told me it would be legal if the stove and fridge were on single receptacles.

Do you guys see anyway this third circuit is a violation

 

[JohnJ0906]

IMO, putting the hood on this circuit is what makes it a violation. 210.52(B) (1) and (2)

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Read article 210.52 (B) with the exceptions

 

[360Youth]

UH, oh. Here we go. :smile:

 

[dcspector]

motown......did the inspector cite an article number? ie..for the third circuit? was it due to load calcs? Or rename the third circuit as Ref. hood and, cook top.

 

[donselectric]

i cant see anything that would fail the rough
whats the art he failed you on?

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

210.52(B)(1)exception #2

The refrigerator is part of the SAB [210.52(B)(1)-read the last sentence]. If not on one of the SAB circuits, by the exception it is permitted on an "individual" branch ckt.
The other items the OP mentioned are not permitted on that individual branch ckt.

 

[detroitelectrician]

He says the hood must be on a lighting circuit, even if you had 5 circuits in the small kitchen they are all small appliance circuits or lighting circuits. And hood can't be on a SA circuit. He thinks any added circuit is still a small APP.
circuit.

 

[dcspector]

So one could pull the "fridge" off of the living room receptacle circuit?

 

[donselectric]

he's wrong

 

[dcspector]

I was just kidding on the individual circuit. I see this all the time pulling off the living room circuit to supply the refridge.

 

[celtic]

I agree with your inspector.

The range, fridge, hood combo is chock full of violations.

The range COULD be on the SA circuit ~ 210.52(B)(2) Exception #2, but not along with the fridge ~ 210.52(B)(1) Exception #2.

The hood could NOT be on either of circuits for the reason citied in both exceptions.

 

[marcerrin]

ok, so heres a second part of the same question. If its a micro hood, do the same rules apply? For example; if I run a 20a ckt to the micro-hood, can I feed to the gas range out of it? Wouldn't it then be considered a small appliance circuit?

 

[detroitelectrician]

Celtic I disagree, are all 20 amp circuit in a kitchen SA circuits? NOT

Celtic I disagree, are all 20 amp circuit in a kitchen SA circuits? NOT

The HO wanted the 2 SA circuits free of fixed loads because she uses a lot of portable cooking devices on the counter top. So I added a third circuit. I am not calling this third circuit a SA circuit. If we added 10 dedicated 20 amp circuits in the kitchen are they automatically SA appliance circuits? I think not, so they would not fall under the rquirements for SA circuits. Additional circuit are just branch circuits. If I removed the third circuit and put the hood on with the light and the stove and fridge on one of 2 SA circuits you say it will be code. However,the way I did it with a third circuit would be better for the homeowner because it provides a additional 2400 watts of power. With only 2 circuits she is more likely to have breakers tripping. This is why as a old inspector once told me, "common sense and the code go hand". In a kitchen size matters::grin: More wattage is better than less.

 

[celtic]

ok, so heres a second part of the same question. If its a micro hood, do the same rules apply? For example; if I run a 20a ckt to the micro-hood, can I feed to the gas range out of it? Wouldn't it then be considered a small appliance circuit?

If it's a cord connected micro-hood, it needs a seperate circuit: 422.12(B)(4)

 

[celtic]

Celtic I disagree, are all 20 amp circuit in a kitchen SA circuits? NOT

Celtic I disagree, are all 20 amp circuit in a kitchen SA circuits? NOT

I agree with you.

Personally, I see your install as a good job.

But you and I are not the ones who enforce the code.


EDIT:
No back peddaling allowed!
I agree that the inspector is correct based on code.
I agree with detroit that this is a good install.
In the end, unless YOU can peruade the AHJ, he's right.

 

[detroitelectrician]

Thanks Celtic

Thanks Celtic

I think your tag statement applies to me here.

The more I learn the less I know:grin:

 

[celtic]

I think your tag statement applies to me here.

The more I learn the less I know:grin:

Stick around....you'll be an idiot in no time at all. LOL

While meant in jest, I'm sure you realize what I am saying

 

[marcerrin]

If it's a cord connected micro-hood, it needs a seperate circuit: 422.12(B)(4)

I think you got the wrong code, I think you meant to write 422.16(b)(4). Which doesn't specifically mention microwaves, but does talk about range hoods, maybe the term "rangehood", is all encompassing as "whatever you stick over your range".

 

[celtic]

I think you got the wrong code, I think you meant to write 422.16(b)(4).

Someone switched my #2 and #6 keys.....good catch...it is 422.16...dunno what happened there, I have the book open right next to me.

Which doesn't specifically mention microwaves, but does talk about range hoods, maybe the term "rangehood", is all encompassing as "whatever you stick over your range".

Yup...you won't even find term "microwave" in the NEC.