Service upgrade

[cschmid]

you will learn allot here..dang that Bob always making you look up stuff..he he

 

[iwire]

dang that Bob always making you look up stuff..he he

My old school teachers would find this quite ammsuing......they could not get me to look up anything. :grin:

 

[cschmid]

My old school teachers would find this quite ammsuing......they could not get me to look up anything. :grin:

LMAO...pssst ddont tell my professors that either..them long nights of fun..

 

[Energy-Miser]

This is a simplified version of our basic routine:
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4- Install a fused drop with GFCI protection for temp power at drop
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15- Get cold beer

Infinity,
Could you please tell me more about step 4 above? My guys are always complaining about running out of battery power in their power tools. Last time, he borrowed power from a neighbor, on an extension cord. This would come very handy. Step 15, I don't have to remind them, they will do it auomatically ! Thanks,

 

[LarryFine]

Could you please tell me more about step 4 above?

While we're waiting, I can tell you about the one I made. I started with four 50a alligator clamps with heavy-duty rubber boots, and a length of 12/4 rubber cord.

I cable-clamped this into the top of a 2-pole W/P breaker box, nippled into a 4" sq. with two GFCI receptacles. This is all attached to a 1x6 with a hanger hook on top.

I'll see if I can make some pix.

 

[mdshunk]

Infinity,
Could you please tell me more about step 4 above? My guys are always complaining about running out of battery power in their power tools.

It might involve using something like #6 in my photo:

 

[Energy-Miser]

While we're waiting, I can tell you about the one I made. I started with four 50a alligator clamps with heavy-duty rubber boots, and a length of 12/4 rubber cord.

I cable-clamped this into the top of a 2-pole W/P breaker box, nippled into a 4" sq. with two GFCI receptacles. This is all attached to a 1x6 with a hanger hook on top.

I'll see if I can make some pix.

Thanks, this is very useful. e/m.

 

[Energy-Miser]

It might involve using something like #6 in my photo:

Thanks, just checked out your photo posts, impressive array of tools and pretty specialized. e/m

 

[cadpoint]

It might involve using something like #6 in my photo:

OK whats #9 & # 10 ???

 

[480sparky]

OK whats #9 & # 10 ???

#9 is a wire stripper. Greenlee 1820, maybe.

#10 is a cable bender.

 

[Energy-Miser]

OK whats #9 & # 10 ???

Click on the "My Photos" link, it will have a lot more pics, with explanation of each including the two you are asking about. Very nice really. e/m.

 

[480sparky]

Click on the "My Photos" link, it will have a lot more pics, with explanation of each including the two you are asking about. Very nice really. e/m.

"My Photos" Link???? I'm confustigated again.....:-?

 

[220/221]

Hey! That last panel has a bus-mounted main breaker. If it's not marked line-load, couldn't it be used in those cases where someone wants to supply a greater-than-125a sub-panel feeder?

I believe it could. Siemans brand.

How are all of those branch circuit cables secured to the panelboard?

By the lugs?:smile: They are not secured to the panel but they sure as heck aren't going anywhere. They enter thru a plastic snap in bushing. That's they way we do it here. It is safer than using connectors which compress the wiring which can damage the cable over time.

Neither of those panels would pass inspection here.

Heh heh, this aint there.

Each panel has clear 312.5(C) violation and IMO very likely 312.5(A) as well.

I gotta give you C but A is purely subjective. The reality is that the cables can't go anywhere.

4- Install a fused drop with GFCI protection for temp power at drop

In the olden days before the POCO's here got so nasty, I would simply use a GFCI, a plastic box, a few feet of romex and a couple blue wirenuts for temp power. I won't touch their stuff anymore after an unfortunate incident. I just bring a small generator and/or find a nice neighbor.

 

[infinity]

By the lugs?:smile: They are not secured to the panel but they sure as heck aren't going anywhere. They enter thru a plastic snap in bushing. That's they way we do it here. It is safer than using connectors which compress the wiring which can damage the cable over time.

Not securing the branch circuit cables in that manner is a violation of the NEC. Do you have a local code that permits this or do your inspectors not look very closely?

 

[iwire]

It is safer than using connectors which compress the wiring which can damage the cable over time.

Strange.....that does not seem to be a problem for the rest of us.

Heh heh, this aint there.

Very true, we also do a few things here that other areas don't.

I gotta give you C but A is purely subjective. The reality is that the cables can't go anywhere.

I think 'A' is more about keeping any sparks and flames inside the panel if there is a fault.


As far as temp power I have had good luck with a small inverter running from the truck keeping my cordless tools charged.

The $30 inverter I bought at Wal-mart runs four chargers no problem.

 

[cschmid]

I did not see the violations in the first panel but I did see the violations in the second panel..dont know how you would correct the problem in the second panel but I do believe you would have to sleeve it in the block..

 

[Energy-Miser]

"My Photos" Link???? I'm confustigated again.....:-?

Let me see if I can post it here for you:
my photo:
It was originally posted by Marc. e/m.

 

[220/221]

Not securing the branch circuit cables in that manner is a violation of the NEC. Do you have a local code that permits this or do your inspectors not look very closely?

I don't know the answer to that question. It is done that way on millions of panels and disconnects here. Maybe they classify the bushing as a connector.

I think 'A' is more about keeping any sparks and flames inside the panel if there is a fault.

Yes but the word "adequately" leaves some room.

Strange.....that does not seem to be a problem for the rest of us.

Maybe I have seen more old cable than "the rest of you".

I did not see the violations in the first panel but I did see the violations in the second panel..dont know how you would correct the problem in the second panel but I do believe you would have to sleeve it in the block..

The installations were basically the same. The cables are routed down the chase in the block walls and enter the panels thru a snap in bushing. Both have technical violations but both are safe and clean instalations.

 

[infinity]

It might involve using something like #6 in my photo:

The one thing that I don't see is fuse protection for the drop. We have a drop made up that has a 20 amp fuse and GFCI protection. I'll see if I can post a photo.