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jetlag

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What is a good price per sq ft to wire a new house ? I live in central Ga. I have always priced per outlet plus the service entrance. They want it by sq ft now. The lowest I have heard is 2.25 sq ft . That comes out a lot below per outlet price unless house is very large. The most Ive heard is 3.75 sq ft which I could live with but dont think I would get many jobs . The houses are 1600 to to 3000 sq ft
 
jetlag said:
They want it by sq ft now.

:roll:


Do your take off, divide by the sq.ft...easy!

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jetlag said:
They want it by sq ft now.

They do huh, Really, "they" want you to do it for free, just give them enough of this sort of rope to hang yourself with and you will one day get there. What you would be actually doing by giving a "sq ft" price is allowing them to go out and bid shop you down without having to do the mystery electrical takeoff work themselves. (which they know they are not advanced enough up the food chain to be able to do, no matter how puffed up they swagger around.)
 
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They want your ft/2 price now, so that they can bid shop. So that they can compare apples to apples. If you bid $3.75 they may take it for now, but the next job they will hunt for a guy at $3.70 or less. On and on.

Ft/2 pricing fails to consider height, length, and difficulties, etc. It's bad for bidding.

Listen to Celtic. Do your takeoff's, spell out what you will provide and what you exclude. Do the math and give them the ft/2 price FOR THIS PROJECT. Let them know, that each house is different and that material prices and other factors influence your prices.
 
This is just a rumor:
They don't sell wire by the sq. ft, so why would you price a job by the sq. ft?

Think about it...
 
i heard somewhere that it's between $1.89 and $6.78 a sq ft, depending on the windspeed and the lunar cycle...
 
cut him a little slack. almost everyone south of ATL goes by sq. ft. pricing. that's all the contractors know, and that's how we have to price them. i have a base sq. ft. price which is a code job, then recessed, extra receps, lighting or equipment has to be a line item on the invoice. a 1500-2k sq. ft. has a base of around $2.85-$3.05 depending on wall height, etc. . .and once you add the rececssed lights, tv's, phones, 200a disconnect, SER and such it usually comes in around $4.40-$5.00. and i'm one of the higher priced contractors in the area. other EC's here go from $2.05 to $2.25. and those are the guys that end up w/ the 1200-1500 sq. ft. 'budget' homes. i can't compete with those guys and don't try to.
 
brantmacga said:
almost everyone south of ATL goes by sq. ft. pricing. that's all the contractors know, and that's how we have to price them.

They use ft/2 pricing here too. I just don't play the game. I would rather do the math and sell my price for the job, than price per foot and buy the job.
 
emahler said:
if you used these you could:D

no, that would not make difference. in my experience, using wirenuts saves me no time and does not cost any less money. a $10 roll of solder will make it through at least two houses, sometimes three or four depending on the size. plus, i don't have my boxes stuffed full of wirenuts. :wink:
 
brantmacga said:
cut him a little slack. almost everyone south of ATL goes by sq. ft. pricing. that's all the contractors know, and that's how we have to price them./QUOTE]

This is why they ask for it, cause almost everyone south of ATL is fool enough to even let the sq. ft. price out of the bag. When you give out such an easy way for them to bid shop you, what do you expect them to do with such a prize? Chisel it down of course. Now it isn't all you guy's fault, GC's chisel complete bids as well. But then they have to at least put thought into all the factors concerning the bid to make sure you will be around long enough to complete the project. When you boil it down for them to a simple sq foot, you throw all your learning and value away, you have become just a simple commodity. Maybe that border fence needs to be run all the way across to the Atlantic Ocean to keep this practice on the South side of the fence. :-?
By the way, don't take this personally, I am ranting about the practice, not the practicioners.
 
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I've posted a hundred times that I would not price by the square foot.

But...for a given style home I would do what Celtic suggested and do my take off and convert it to square foot. And explain that it is for that model home only. The customers asking for square foot price do not sound like the ones I'd want to work for.

Good luck.
 
celtic said:
This is just a rumor:
They don't sell wire by the sq. ft, so why would you price a job by the sq. ft?

Think about it...

Sq Ft pricing, boomed back in the 50's when homes went from custom built, to production housing, many of the production homes, back then, were shoe box homes, basic shell house, it was easy to establish a cost, for a cookie cutter home, electrical was estimated as a part of the entire project, or as so much of the total sq ft. No way to figure the custom homes of today, with expanded wiring needs, and code requirements to meet.
 
Why sq.ft the price?
Simply because "that's whateveryone does" or "that's what they want"?

How do you - as an EC - get any idea that you are making/losing money?
Wait until the job is done?

How are "on the fly" changes addressed?


At some point, you NEED to know just how much all this crap cost....why wait until the end of the job?
 
emahler said:
if you used these you could:D


Or these http://electrical.hardwarestore.com/14-45-electrical-boxes-plastic.aspx :D

How long does it take you to rough in a house the old school way? When I started in the trade (1974) a two man (well, a man and a boy) were roughing in two, 3 bedroom, 1200 sq ft track homes a day, including the service.

I can't imagine it not taking longer using steel boxes, connectors and solder. How do you heat the solder/wire?

I still have my grandfathers solder ladle from the 40's with the solder still in it.
 
JohnConnolly said:
How long does it take you to rough in a house the old school way? When I started in the trade (1974) a two man (well, a man and a boy) were roughing in two, 3 bedroom, 1200 sq ft track homes a day, including the service.

I would opt for suicide rather than have to go thru that type of hell again.
Thats how it was in S.W. Fla back around 74 also.
 
well, you can't compare a home of 1974 to something built today, when considering the amount of extra time needed to meet current codes, recessed lighting, tv's, phones, with one helper, it would take me 10-12 hrs to do a 1200 sq. ft. home. and what's so wrong w/ wanting to do it old school? you guys have your method, i have mine. i don't claim to be better than any one else or put anyone down for how they perform their work.
 
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