Show window on timeclock?

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Had an issue today with an inspection. On my show window receptacles he says they "must" be controlled via a timeclock, and have their own circuit. I can't find an article that specifically requires the show window to be controlled via timeclock, although I realize this is a typical practice. Also I don't see where show window receptacles are required to have their own circuit, I know of the load calc, but that doesn't flat out say it needs it's own circuit. So....

Show windows MUST be controlled via timeclock?
Show windows MUST be on own circuit?
 
nyerinfl said:
Had an issue today with an inspection. On my show window receptacles he says they "must" be controlled via a timeclock, and have their own circuit. I can't find an article that specifically requires the show window to be controlled via timeclock, although I realize this is a typical practice. Also I don't see where show window receptacles are required to have their own circuit, I know of the load calc, but that doesn't flat out say it needs it's own circuit. So....

Show windows MUST be controlled via timeclock?
Show windows MUST be on own circuit?
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There are 2 ways of determining a show window recep, they are outlined in 220.3(B)(7). As far as the circuit having to be controlled by a timeclock, I don't see an article requiring that.
 
Do you have chapter 13 of the 04 Florida Building Code? Is the space 5000 ft? or more? PM me with the inspectors name.
 
chevyx92 said:
Unless he is saying that the recep is for the "Signs" then he would be correct. Look at 600.5(A), that requires a 20 amp circuit.
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There is a timeclock controlled sign circuit already, these show window receptacles are in addition to that circuit to meet the every 12 ft rule.
 
chris kennedy said:
Do you have chapter 13 of the 04 Florida Building Code? Is the space 5000 ft? or more? PM me with the inspectors name.
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Space is definetly not 5000 sf, I'd say more like 2000. I can't remember his name.
 
chris kennedy said:
....I always ask for a business card when I meet a new inspector......
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Do you also ask for a code reference if you're red tagged?

I find it amazing how few actually do.
 
chris kennedy said:
Then its not a FBC issue.


I always ask for a business card when I meet a new inspector.

What county, city ect?
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It was in Kendall. So it was Miami-Dade. Where I got really messed up was when he counted to breakers in my panel, compared them to the drawing panel schedule, and found that I was a couple breakers short.
 
480sparky said:
Do you also ask for a code reference if you're red tagged?
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If there is an issue we pull out books and discuss it. I try to make a it point to have a little punch-out to do that day so I can meet the inspector on site.
 
480sparky said:
Do you also ask for a code reference if you're red tagged?

I find it amazing how few actually do.
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I actually do ask for code references, which really pisses a lot of inspectors off, but if you read my above post, when this happened I wasn't overly concerned about the show windows as I was about having to get a revision.
 
nyerinfl said:
It was in Kendall.
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Can't help you there. 2000 ft? in Kendall and now tagged? Was it worth it?

Where I got really messed up was when he counted to breakers in my panel, compared them to the drawing panel schedule, and found that I was a couple breakers short.
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What was the outcome of this?
 
nyerinfl said:
I actually do ask for code references, which really pisses a lot of inspectors off
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Much more PC to give the inspector your code reference as to why your feel your install is legal.
 
Anyway, back to the original question;

Is a show window receptacle required to be controlled by a timeclock? And must the show window be a dedicated circuit?
 
chevyx92 said:
It depends on which method you choose from 220.3(B)(7) and the length of window.
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My code book is at the shop. If I remember correctly it's 180 va per foot? There are two plugs in the show window. I looked at the article you're referring to earlier in the day, and didn't recall seeing a requirement for a dedicated circuit anywhere, can you elaborate?
 
nyerinfl said:
My code book is at the shop. If I remember correctly it's 180 va per foot? There are two plugs in the show window. I looked at the article you're referring to earlier in the day, and didn't recall seeing a requirement for a dedicated circuit anywhere, can you elaborate?
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You have to either compute the loads as follows:
1) unit load per outlet OR
2) 200VA per linear ft

So if you have a 16 linear ft of window, then (16 X 200= 3200 VA)
3200VA/120V = 26.66A. That means you need at least (2) 20 amp circuits.

If you knew the load that would be plugged into the outlet then you could use that and determine if a single circuit would suffice. Otherwise you need to use 180VA per outlet.
 
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