Siemens Plug on Neutral AFCI

[letgomywago]

They have done some trading with GE with afci tech. They work just like GE does where the nuetral landing is optional. The upside is They have tandem afci now because of this.

 

[letgomywago]

They are also more prone to nuisance trips than before.

 

[ptonsparky]

Siemens plug-on neutral breakers have one terminal. Everything is wired like a regular $4 breaker costing $45-50

And selling for more as well. Last I knew 20% of $50 is more than 20% of $4.

 

[ramsy]

They have done some trading with GE with afci tech. They work just like GE does where the nuetral landing is optional. The upside is They have tandem afci now because of this.

Any idea why GE wont make tandem breakers?

 

[letgomywago]

Any idea why GE wont make tandem breakers?

Idk they have plug on now too.

 

[ramsy]

Idk they have plug on now too.

PoN is marketing gimmick that won't last.

I fix load centers full of debris, moisture, and corrosion, by re-terminating connections & cleaning.

The only reason certain sections of busbars last, is because they are covered by the breaker.

As soon as than PoN rail corrodes the entire load center will be junk.

 

[LarryFine]

PoN is marketing gimmick that won't last.

I agree. I think I have installed two, but I used regular breakers, so I landed my neutrals in the two screws per space on the neutral bar.

 

[Little Bill]

I'll disagree. The PON fits very tight on the neutral rail. Using ramsy's logic of the breaker covering the bus, the breaker also covers the neutral rail.
They fit so tight, it's often difficult to install the breaker. If you have that much moisture and corrosion, you have deeper problems.

 

[letgomywago]

Nuetral bars with wire connections last quite a while no breaker covering them.

 

[ramsy]

If you have that much moisture and corrosion, you have deeper problems

If PoN rails were stainless they may last forever outdoors, but there is no law requiring load centers, or other junk, to last 1 day beyond warranty.

 

[curt swartz]

I don't see why the PoN neutral connection is any more susceptible to damage/failure than the line side buss to breaker connection.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Any idea why GE wont make tandem breakers?

Ge has always used thin breakers or wafer breakers instead of tandem. Not sure why they went that route.

 

[letgomywago]

Ge has always used thin breakers or wafer breakers instead of tandem. Not sure why they went that route.

Doesn't mean they couldn't make a tandem it wouldn't be an issue with their design. Just build it 2 pole mini style.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Doesn't mean they couldn't make a tandem it wouldn't be an issue with their design. Just build it 2 pole mini style.

You are correct but I didn't state that they couldn't make it just that they decided to go in a different direction.

 

[ramsy]

I don't see why the PoN neutral connection is any more susceptible to damage/failure than the line side buss to breaker connection.

With no load, PoN is probably not susceptible to burn damage, like bus stabs with patina.

Time will tell how long ~5 Volt PoN connections last outdoors.

However, the Integrated circuits fed from same PoN rail, may be more frequently destroyed by surges.