Since recessed lights have inaccessible connections, how do they pass code?

[Jim W in Tampa]

and hopefully the owners won't be back till you clean it up.

I stepped through a ceiling once and was able to apologize to the owner & my boss as they looked up at me through hole left by the dangling sheetrock (~ 1/2 sheet). It is amazing how much coverage you can get on some carpet and furniture with just a little insulation.

And if in kitchen all over counters and food.
Had a brother inlaw working for me once. He thought he could walk on drywall. Luckily in garage and patch man made no big deal over it. Brother inlaw is in prison (not for that) Safer for him there as a few in family want to kill him.

 

[mivey]

And if in kitchen all over counters and food.
Had a brother inlaw working for me once. He thought he could walk on drywall. Luckily in garage and patch man made no big deal over it. Brother inlaw is in prison (not for that) Safer for him there as a few in family want to kill him.

Inlaws/outlaws. I have a few I might strangle if family get-togethers lasted much longer than they do.

 

[mxslick]

To get this back on topic before the mod squad goes ballistic....

Ok, so you can take the can out to get to the j-box.

Now what do you do about the wire which, if done properly, is secured (stapled) close to the j-box? How do you maneuver the box around to get to the connections?

(I have only dealt with remodel cans so far....easy enough to release them to access the connections, and obviously the cable is not stapled down close to the box.)

 

[480sparky]

Ever notice the j-box on most new construction cans can be opened from both sides?

Usually, a 1/4" socket will remove 3-4 screws holding the can to the frame, then it can be removed (or pushed into the ceiling/attic) for access to the j-box.

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[Jim W in Tampa]

To get this back on topic before the mod squad goes ballistic....

Ok, so you can take the can out to get to the j-box.

Now what do you do about the wire which, if done properly, is secured (stapled) close to the j-box? How do you maneuver the box around to get to the connections?

(I have only dealt with remodel cans so far....easy enough to release them to access the connections, and obviously the cable is not stapled down close to the box.)

That is the fun part. It does not say you can get at anything outside of the box and that is not required. As long as you can get at the wires it has met code.

 

[raider1]

To get this back on topic before the mod squad goes ballistic....

Ok, so you can take the can out to get to the j-box.

Now what do you do about the wire which, if done properly, is secured (stapled) close to the j-box? How do you maneuver the box around to get to the connections?

(I have only dealt with remodel cans so far....easy enough to release them to access the connections, and obviously the cable is not stapled down close to the box.)

With remodel cans, because you are fishing the NM cable, you are not required to secure the cable within 8" of the j-box on the remodel can.

Chris

 

[qcroanoke]

With remodel cans, because you are fishing the NM cable, you are not required to secure the cable within 8" of the j-box on the remodel can.

Chris

Nor would I try......

 

[cowboyjwc]

sorry about that LOL

That's ok, it was kind of like coughing up a hair ball, once I got over it I was ok.:grin:

 

[marti smith]

Is the IC can applicable for a foam insulation install?

 

[raider1]

Is the IC can applicable for a foam insulation install?

Depends on whether or not the j-box on the can will be accessible if the can is foamed in or not.



The can above I would say no.



This can may be OK due to the j-box remaining accessible if the can is foamed in.

Again I would contact the can manufacturer and ask them.

Chris

 

[jxofaltrds]

With remodel cans, because you are fishing the NM cable, you are not required to secure the cable within 8" of the j-box on the remodel can.

Chris

Did you mean 12"?

 

[raider1]

Did you mean 12"?

Yes I did, I just had the 8" rule for single gang boxes in my mind when I posted that sorry.

Chris

 

[maghazadeh]

In a building that I was replacing Ballasts, I ran in to 8" fluor. down lights with the ballast inside a housing was attached to down lights J-box opposite of can for future access. In order to replace the ballast I had to unscrew the whole housing frame from metal joist thorough the hole in sheetrock and flep it over to take ballast out of its housing. Each ballast change took about 2 hrs, belive it or not.

 

[jxofaltrds]

Yes I did, I just had the 8" rule for single gang boxes in my mind when I posted that sorry.

Chris

I had to get one right. My batting average over the last week is not very good.

 

[mivey]

Ever notice the j-box on most new construction cans can be opened from both sides?

Usually, a 1/4" socket will remove 3-4 screws holding the can to the frame, then it can be removed (or pushed into the ceiling/attic) for access to the j-box.

Be sure to have plenty of band-aids on hand. I can't ever seem to handle these things without getting cut at some point.

 

[busman]

Yeah, those 4" Lightolier cans leave you SOL if the person before you didn't leave long tails so you can get them out the hole. Especially with big bear paws like mine.

Mark