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Sine wave sensing isolation in NEC

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RumRunner

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(Answer to Winnie's comment)

Good suggestion.

But, doesn’t “closed loop hall effect current transducer” require power. . . be it separate or dependent upon the system being monitored?
We can install a non-invasive monitoring system. This will do away with breaking the line and installing shunts, but OP already indicated that he is looking at Texas Instrument AMC 1311.

Non-invasive approach works like a clamp-on transducer. No disconnecting of existing wires. Similar to a current transformer. . . works through induction.

I understand OP’s concern about wading into NEC’s “realm of influence”. If you need to provide power to an instrument (in this case from the MCC) it would certainly involve safety regulation.
Can be manipulated because it is very low voltage (2 volts) and then amplified to a manageable level.

Of course you can feed it power from the PLC.

OP is still conducting feasibility studies. As such, it is in a very early stage of development . . . nothing is existing except the MCC.

So, it is only fitting for an engineer to do research that may impact the project as he goes forward and ultimately, any factor that will affect the finish product.
This is exactly what he is asking for...not how to build this thing. People that would go into tangents are really just name-dropping. . . making it look like they know something.

As the saying goes: Let’s cut to the chase. (as Hollywood directors go) :)

As others have NOT been kind enough (not you) I think, OP should not be subjected to unfriendly attitude.

We all benefit from questions being raised—not just answers and opinions.

There is no such thing as stupid question. . . only stupid answers.
 
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winnie

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But, doesn’t “closed loop hall effect current transducer” require power. . . be it separate or dependent upon the system being monitored?
We can install a non-invasive monitoring system. This will do away with breaking the line and installing shunts, but OP already indicated that he is looking at Texas Instrument AMC 1311.

Yes, it does. The systems that I usually work with require a +-15V power supply to run the instrument. The output is referenced to the mid point (0) of the 3 terminal power supply. Some such units work with a single 5V power supply, but they all require some power.

The big benefit over something like the AMC1311 (which does have its place!) is that you don't need a power supply for the 'hot' side of the transducer system. You just need the power supply on the galvanically isolated 'instrument' side.

-Jon
 

RumRunner

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Thank you,

Since ISOLATION is the "name of the game" would opto- coupling work in this situation? I've worked on several telemetering instruments that are often super sensitive to transients that affect accuracy. . . not on high energy distribution systems like this.
 

tom baker

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NEC says "shall be listed"...



What is the requirement??!!??

Repectfully, Where does the NEC state this has to be listed?
The NEC does not require all products used to be listed, some are only required to be approved. This application may be required to be listed by state or OSHA requirements. This is kindof an NEC application, but keep in mind the NEC is for premise wiring
 
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