Single family Electrical Rough-In
- Thread starter willfish
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Re: Single family Electrical Rough-In
I can't answer for what is expected at rough in. But I can say that it is not an NEC concept.
I can't answer for what is expected at rough in. But I can say that it is not an NEC concept.
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- Massachusetts
Re: Single family Electrical Rough-In
I agree with Charlie the NEC has nothing to do with the inspection process, the NEC does not even require inspections.
The inspection process is determined by the local area.
In other words you have to find out from the local AHJ.
I agree with Charlie the NEC has nothing to do with the inspection process, the NEC does not even require inspections.
The inspection process is determined by the local area.
In other words you have to find out from the local AHJ.
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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- Henrico County, VA
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- Electrical Contractor
Re: Single family Electrical Rough-In
The simple answer is: everything that the drywall will conceal, plus grounds and neutrals in the panel. I prefer to also complete box connections, ready for devices.
The simple answer is: everything that the drywall will conceal, plus grounds and neutrals in the panel. I prefer to also complete box connections, ready for devices.
throttlebody
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- Martinsburg, WV
Re: Single family Electrical Rough-In
I agree with Larry to a point, but not limited to the point.
Ever been pushed to the point that the electrical supervisor has had other deadlines to meet in getting other jobs started that he says pull everything concealed and leave the unfinished areas hang? I answered yes.If you answered no, then you have missed out on the fun when final time rolls around.
Then we (electrcians) get to go into the basement and tear out all the insulation from the ceiling and we (inspectors) check for cabling supports. After that, we (electricians) pull down the keyless' and take out the devices and we (inspectors) check the tie-ins for unmarked grounded conductors being used as ungrounded conductors, including, but not limited to 6" of free conductor beyond the raceways/sheathing. We (inspectors) check all metal straps included with the nonmetallic outlet boxes and metal boxes for bonding. Then we (electrician) put everything back.
Please keep in mind:
If the Rough Wiring is checked on the final, it takes longer for the inspector to complete. You will be lucky if he waits for uninspected areas to be disassembled and reassembled. Most are busy just like the electrician, both have daily deadlines and both have other stops to make throughout the workday.
Just MHO
[ January 31, 2006, 05:56 PM: Message edited by: throttlebody ]
I agree with Larry to a point, but not limited to the point.
Ever been pushed to the point that the electrical supervisor has had other deadlines to meet in getting other jobs started that he says pull everything concealed and leave the unfinished areas hang? I answered yes.If you answered no, then you have missed out on the fun when final time rolls around.
Then we (electrcians) get to go into the basement and tear out all the insulation from the ceiling and we (inspectors) check for cabling supports. After that, we (electricians) pull down the keyless' and take out the devices and we (inspectors) check the tie-ins for unmarked grounded conductors being used as ungrounded conductors, including, but not limited to 6" of free conductor beyond the raceways/sheathing. We (inspectors) check all metal straps included with the nonmetallic outlet boxes and metal boxes for bonding. Then we (electrician) put everything back.
Please keep in mind:
If the Rough Wiring is checked on the final, it takes longer for the inspector to complete. You will be lucky if he waits for uninspected areas to be disassembled and reassembled. Most are busy just like the electrician, both have daily deadlines and both have other stops to make throughout the workday.
Just MHO
[ January 31, 2006, 05:56 PM: Message edited by: throttlebody ]
jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: Single family Electrical Rough-In
Some might give you a partial but thats usually only on commercial.Bottom line is its up to the local ahj.
Some might give you a partial but thats usually only on commercial.Bottom line is its up to the local ahj.
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- Massachusetts
Re: Single family Electrical Rough-In
What you have done for years may not fly in another jurisdiction.
Larry no offense but it is a large Country, I don't see how we can give any kind of answer to this.
What you have done for years may not fly in another jurisdiction.
jimwalker
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Re: Single family Electrical Rough-In
They sometimes even get upset if the drywall hangers hang only one side.The answer is best to get from the man doing the inspection.
They sometimes even get upset if the drywall hangers hang only one side.The answer is best to get from the man doing the inspection.
Shockedby277v
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- Michigan
Re: Single family Electrical Rough-In
I've heard of concrete being ripped out because underground wasn't inspected!!! Wish I was there. Wewt! Wewt!
I've heard of concrete being ripped out because underground wasn't inspected!!! Wish I was there. Wewt! Wewt!
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- Illinois
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- retired electrician
Shockedby277v
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- Michigan
Re: Single family Electrical Rough-In
Hah! That's awsome.
Hah! That's awsome.
electricmanscott
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- Boston, MA
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- Massachusetts Master Electrician, one man show.
Re: Single family Electrical Rough-In
This would be assuming the service is already installed.
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
- Location
- Henrico County, VA
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- Electrical Contractor
Re: Single family Electrical Rough-In
None taken. I was throwing a simplistic answer to a simple question.
I consider the service to fall within my description. The panel is just another box, and the feeder/entrance cable is just another in-wall wire.
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bthielen
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Re: Single family Electrical Rough-In
When I did my own home, the inspector wanted everything done ready for device hook-up. He wanted all wires stripped and properly secured, ground wires twisted and nutted, pigtails nutted and stripped, circuit breakers installed but left off, along with all ground and grounded conductors terminated in the panel. Basically, everything done except to install the fixtures and receptacles and apply power.
Bob
When I did my own home, the inspector wanted everything done ready for device hook-up. He wanted all wires stripped and properly secured, ground wires twisted and nutted, pigtails nutted and stripped, circuit breakers installed but left off, along with all ground and grounded conductors terminated in the panel. Basically, everything done except to install the fixtures and receptacles and apply power.
Bob
throttlebody
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- Martinsburg, WV
Re: Single family Electrical Rough-In
Hooking up breakers on an energized panel with nothing installed is a big no no here. The panel would have to have a lockable device for the cover. The fire administration can issue fines for that, even red-flag the house.
Another point, the GFCI is tripped, but the person working walks to the panelbox, turns on every breaker to get it to work. When another person walks over to the GFCI receptacle, resets the button. Does the first person mentioned go back to the panel and turn those breakers off? Not likely and it is such a sure shot of not doing it, I would almost bet you a dozen doughnuts.
Hooking up breakers on an energized panel with nothing installed is a big no no here. The panel would have to have a lockable device for the cover. The fire administration can issue fines for that, even red-flag the house.
Another point, the GFCI is tripped, but the person working walks to the panelbox, turns on every breaker to get it to work. When another person walks over to the GFCI receptacle, resets the button. Does the first person mentioned go back to the panel and turn those breakers off? Not likely and it is such a sure shot of not doing it, I would almost bet you a dozen doughnuts.
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