six hand-throws rule

[eprice]

I'm with those who say the disconnect has to be at the building. 225.32 says that the disconnect shall be at a readily accessible location nearest the point of entrance of the conductors. I can't by the the argument that 50 feet away on a pole is nearest the point of entrance. What does "nearest" mean? Litteraly it means that there is no point nearer. I can buy fudging that a little bit (a few feet) but not 50 feet.

 

[iwire]

And if I had a flying frog I would be rich and we wouldn't be having this converstation.

LMAO, and I will be able to say I knew you before you had your flying frog.

 

[Terrynistler]

I don't think you would be rich! Although they are expensive you could own one!


http://www.livingunderworld.org/anura/database/rhacophoridae/rhacophorus/reinwardtii/

 

[cowboyjwc]

Maybe it was a singing frog like in that old cartoon..."hello my darlin', hello my baby, hello my rag time gal"....

 

[petersonra]

225.31 Disconnecting Means. Means shall be provided for disconnecting all ungrounded conductors that supply or pass through the building or structure.

Means pretty much what it says.

225.32 Location. The disconnecting means shall be installed either inside or outside of the building or structure served or where the conductors pass through the building or structure.

You can put the disconencting means inside or outside of the structure being served.

The disconnecting means shall be at a readily accessible location

Accessible, Readily (Readily Accessible). Capable of being
reached quickly for operation, renewal, or inspections
without requiring those to whom ready access is requisite
to climb over or remove obstacles or to resort to portable
ladders, and so forth.

No 50 foot rule. The 50 foot rule applies to something that has to be "in sight of".

nearest the point of entrance of the conductors.

Presumably this means the point of entrance of the conductors into the building or structure served or where the conductors pass through the building or structure. I don't see how the nearest point to where the conductors pass into the structure is a pole 50 feet away.

For the purposes of this section, the requirements in 230.6 shall be utilized.

Tells you when conductors are considered outside of the building for certain cases where logic might tell you they are really inside the building.

 

[RB1]

There was a proposal to the 2005 code to add the language "within sight" to the requirements of 225.31. The proposal was rejected because it did not get enough votes from the Panel (it split 5 to 5). The language in the 2002 code was changed to definitively require the disconnecting means, whether inside or outside, to be located at the nearest point the conductors enter the building. That being said, it is up to the AHJ to interpret "nearest", and in this case it appears that they already have.

 

[pfalcon]

Nearest on a mobile home is often the nearest power pole. You could certainly argue that the disconnect should be mounted on or at the structure since this is nearer but ... it moves. And you don't want it so close you can't pull the mobile home in or out. If this is good enough for a mobile home then why not a more permanent structure.

 

[jwelectric]

Nearest on a mobile home is often the nearest power pole. You could certainly argue that the disconnect should be mounted on or at the structure since this is nearer but ... it moves. And you don't want it so close you can't pull the mobile home in or out. If this is good enough for a mobile home then why not a more permanent structure.

I bet that there is a main in the panel inside the mobile home. This main in the panel of this mobile home fulfills the requirement found in 225.

 

[tgolden]

Chris, you are at the correct section. Although I feel that single family, dwellings are exempt as we are talking about disconnection of branch circuits and/or feeders. Within the handbook, you will find an explanation for my reasoning.