Small appliance branch circuit

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electricalist said:
Because you can have more than 2 SABC s but not less than 2.


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The refrigerator is part of the small appliance branch circuit (210.52(B) exception #2. This exception is to allow 15 amps circuit for the refrigerator but it is mentioned in the section for small appliance branch circuit.
 
I agree with Charlie. The microwave sitting on the counter, and not using an extension cord to reach another room, is on a SABC.

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210.51(B) Small Appliances.
(1) Receptacle Outlets Served. In the kitchen, pantry, breakfast room, dining room, or similar area of a dwelling unit, the two or more 20-ampere small-appliance branch circuits required by 210.11(C)(1) shall serve all wall and floor receptacle outlets covered by 210.52(A), all countertop outlets covered by 210.52(C), and receptacle outlets for refrigeration equipment.

So, any receptacle in the kitchen is on a SABC. Just because the built in microwave receptacle is inside a cabinet (typicaly), it is still a receptacle mounted on the wall in a kitchen. How do you read 210.51B that it is not a SABC? 210.52 (no letter) says the cupboard/cabinet receptacles and those over 5 1/2 feet from the floor do not count for the spacing requirements of the receptacles, not that they are prohibited to be SABC receptacles.

510.52 C says the hidden microwave receptacle is NOT to be counted as one of the required countertop receptacles. That's all. Nothing about not being a SABC.

I do not think I have EVER installed only TWO SABC in a house! The dedicated receptacle for the built in microwave adds another SABC to the number installed. Now if you counted that dedicated receptacle as 1 of the 2 SABC you had in a kitchen , the inspector might grumble, correctly, but what words in the NEC make it not allowed?
 
My standard practice:

2 - SABC
1- 20 amp for micro (permanently installed)
1- 20 amp for DW and disposal

Sometimes I go crazy and run a dedicated 15 for the fridge. Or I'll just run it off the SABC.
 
Don't forget 210.23(A) requirements - permanently mounted microwaves can require an individual branch circuit anyway.
 
Frank DuVal said:
I agree with Charlie. The microwave sitting on the counter, and not using an extension cord to reach another room, is on a SABC.

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210.51(B) Small Appliances.
(1) Receptacle Outlets Served. In the kitchen, pantry, breakfast room, dining room, or similar area of a dwelling unit, the two or more 20-ampere small-appliance branch circuits required by 210.11(C)(1) shall serve all wall and floor receptacle outlets covered by 210.52(A), all countertop outlets covered by 210.52(C), and receptacle outlets for refrigeration equipment.

So, any receptacle in the kitchen is on a SABC. Just because the built in microwave receptacle is inside a cabinet (typicaly), it is still a receptacle mounted on the wall in a kitchen. How do you read 210.51B that it is not a SABC? 210.52 (no letter) says the cupboard/cabinet receptacles and those over 5 1/2 feet from the floor do not count for the spacing requirements of the receptacles, not that they are prohibited to be SABC receptacles.

510.52 C says the hidden microwave receptacle is NOT to be counted as one of the required countertop receptacles. That's all. Nothing about not being a SABC.

I do not think I have EVER installed only TWO SABC in a house! The dedicated receptacle for the built in microwave adds another SABC to the number installed. Now if you counted that dedicated receptacle as 1 of the 2 SABC you had in a kitchen , the inspector might grumble, correctly, but what words in the NEC make it not allowed?
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You cannot run a circuit to a built in micro and count it as one of the two required SABC.
 
A dedicated 15amp is usually fine for the built in microwave or microwave/hood. Here on the left coast, hoods must be on dedicated circuits, as well as the dishwasher and garbage disposal, all typically 15 amp. I give the refer a dedicated 15amp as well (unless it specify's a 20amp).

Usually I cheat and run the 120v for the gas range controls on the hood circuit because GFCI's just don't like those little sparks gas cooktops use to start the burners.
 
electricalist said:
Where's the wording that tells me it can't be.
I do agree it shouldn't be.


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Tried to post earlier today, lost internet for some reason and never came back until now.

Anyway - All outlets in the kitchen, dining room, breakfast room, pantry....that fit into 210.52(A) and (C) locations must be on SABC's. A includes floor receptacles (placed to comply with 210.52(A) spacing) and wall receptacles up to 5'-6" above the floor.
C includes receptacles above countertops but no more then 20" above the counter top.

Outlets not covered by A or C can not be on the SABC with the exception of clock outlets, or for the ignitor/controls for a gas stove.

If you run a dedicated circuit for a microwave to a place covered by A or C, technically you have one additional SABC - and 1500 VA for that circuit in your load calculations.

A microwave inside a cabinet or over the range usually has the receptacle in a location not covered by A or C - can not be on the SABC's.
 
mwm1752 said:
Sounds reasonable Kwired funny how we have full circled to blah blah blah blah - no disrespect intended :slaphead:
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Thing is the details that answer the question asked are contained in that blah blah blah that everyone wants to dismiss as blah blah blah.:blink:

If you want to read a bunch of blah blah blah, read 210.12:rotflmao:
 
kwired said:
Thing is the details that answer the question asked are contained in that blah blah blah that everyone wants to dismiss as blah blah blah.:blink:

If you want to read a bunch of blah blah blah, read 210.12:rotflmao:
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If you want to surpass details, the whole Code is blah, blah, blah. :slaphead:
 
OK, Dave, I see it now, it is in 210.52 B 3. :ashamed1:

I knew it had to be there somewhere. Just didn't see it yesterday.

I do disagree with Kwired on the microwave cannot be on the SABC, as 210.52 (no letter) says this section is for spacing of required receptacles, "The receptacles required by this section shall be in addition to any receptacle that is ...Located within cabinets or cupboards..."

Would you go as far as saying only those wall receptacles required by 210.52 can be on the SABC, so if I put receptacles along a dining room wall every 6 feet, only every other one is on a SABC? After all, they are not required receptacles!:?

Of course I am only arguing the NEC English, as I would put the over the stove microwave on a dedicated SABC. :D
 
Frank DuVal said:
I do disagree with Kwired on the microwave cannot be on the SABC, as 210.52 (no letter) says this section is for spacing of required receptacles, "The receptacles required by this section shall be in addition to any receptacle that is ...Located within cabinets or cupboards..."
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I think Kwired has that correct.

Frank DuVal said:
Would you go as far as saying only those wall receptacles required by 210.52 can be on the SABC, so if I put receptacles along a dining room wall every 6 feet, only every other one is on a SABC? After all, they are not required receptacles!:?
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Those ARE required receptacles, per 210.52(A).
 
Frank DuVal said:
OK, Dave, I see it now, it is in 210.52 B 3. :ashamed1:

I knew it had to be there somewhere. Just didn't see it yesterday.

I do disagree with Kwired on the microwave cannot be on the SABC, as 210.52 (no letter) says this section is for spacing of required receptacles, "The receptacles required by this section shall be in addition to any receptacle that is ...Located within cabinets or cupboards..."

Would you go as far as saying only those wall receptacles required by 210.52 can be on the SABC, so if I put receptacles along a dining room wall every 6 feet, only every other one is on a SABC? After all, they are not required receptacles!:?

Of course I am only arguing the NEC English, as I would put the over the stove microwave on a dedicated SABC. :D
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210.52(B) says all the receptacles in kitchens dining rooms, pantry, etc. covered by 210.52(A) and (C) and receptacle outlets for refrigeration equipment must be on the 2 or more SABC's required by 210.11(C)(1).

All general use receptacles 5'-6" or less above the floor, or floor receptacles placed within 18" of the wall are 210.52(A) receptacles. If they are in a cabinet or other dedicated space they are not 210.52(A) receptacles. A dedicated refrigerator receptacle in kitchen, dining room, pantry, etc. is not an (A) or (C) receptacle but still must be on SABC's to comply with (B), they can be an single outlet circuit but is still a SABC.

All receptacle outlets serving the counter tops are are 210.52(C) receptacles. Some may be allowed in the face of cabinets below the counter, those above the counter must be 20" or less above the counter. Again if they are in a cabinet or other dedicated space they are not 210.52(C) receptacles.

You must at least have minimum spacing required for (A) or (C), but all receptacles serving those areas mentioned are still part of (A) or (C).
 
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