Small Town Inspections ?

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peter d said:
That looks like 4/0 SEU, no? The meter can looks a little small to be a 200 A/position type, but hard to tell. Non-bypass maybe?
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Yeah, 200 amp per position. Horn bypass, which is much more compact than a lever or automatic bypass.
 
mdshunk said:
Yeah, 200 amp per position. Horn bypass, which is much more compact than a lever or automatic bypass.
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We have to use the lever bypass type here for that socket assuming it's commercial or otherwise required to have a bypass...horn bypass not allowed.
 
augie47 said:
If it's UL lsited or manufacturer labeled as a "disconnect", yes. If it's a wall switch being used as a disconncting means, no.
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I don't understand this logic:confused:
 
I dont know about the rest of you but i am required by my company to verify the voltage at the disconnect.So that makes it very likely to be needing clearance at least one time.Lets get real here,no way am i opening up an ac unit or whatever without checking voltage first at disconnect.NEC often uses poor wording.Many inspectors simply have overlooked this for years.
 
M. D. said:
I don't understand this logic:confused:
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If its Code, is there logic ? :grin:

maybe a regional thing, however, from some of the posts here such as the last one, it has been common practice here for HVAC guys to check voltages at the disconnect. I can't say the same for countertop switches.
From a ""logic" standpoint, possibly it should apply to both, but if we include C/T switches then we would probably need to include receptacles and those are required to be countertop.
Each region may look at it differently, but the 10 or so inspectors in the surrounding areas here all look at the HVAC disconnect as "subject to be
examined while energized" and require compliance with 110.26.
It may remain debateable until clarified by NEC.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
I dont know about the rest of you but i am required by my company to verify the voltage at the disconnect.
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Jim thats great, I often do as well, but that does not change the fact the code says what it says and allows the AHJ to decide.
 
augie47 said:
If its Code, is there logic ? :grin:

maybe a regional thing, however, from some of the posts here such as the last one, it has been common practice here for HVAC guys to check voltages at the disconnect. I can't say the same for countertop switches.
From a ""logic" standpoint, possibly it should apply to both, but if we include C/T switches then we would probably need to include receptacles and those are required to be countertop.
Each region may look at it differently, but the 10 or so inspectors in the surrounding areas here all look at the HVAC disconnect as "subject to be
examined while energized" and require compliance with 110.26.
It may remain debateable until clarified by NEC.
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I think it is within the AHJs authority to make the exact call Gus describes.

But like M.D. I have a real problem with the word 'required' in that section.

There is almost no electrical equipment that requires working on while energized.
 
I think its expected that the AC guy would look inside of the machine and not inside the disconnect.
Its easier to take out a 5/16" screw than to try to stick your meter probes in the fure pullout. If its a switch it will need to be on anyway to check out the unit.
I dont think anybody would be into any exposed live parts
 
I really don't get to worked up about the AC disconnects, as long as there not behind the units, not accessible or not within sight, you know the obvious
 
mpd said:
I really don't get to worked up about the AC disconnects, as long as there not behind the units, not accessible or not within sight, you know the obvious
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Seems that this is what the OP got into.His inspector started to care.Here we simply must have work clearance as stated in 110.26.It is your call but your putting us at risk.A service man will be checking for voltage and the fuses.Not something you are likely to do with it turned off.This is one area i wish all inspectors got tough on.
 
working live when it is not necessary is something I am trying hard not to do ,.I can't think of one instance where I could not trouble shoot an A.C. disconnect while de energized,..
 
M. D. said:
working live when it is not necessary is something I am trying hard not to do ,.I can't think of one instance where I could not trouble shoot an A.C. disconnect while de energized,..
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yes i agree but how much time would wasted
 
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