Some info on posts

iwire

Moderator
Staff member
Hi all,

I figured I would post this and let you know what some of the moderators are up to. There are a number of us that feel we have been letting threads drift too much and that is not great for the original poster (OP)

What I am asking is that we try to stay directly on the OPs question and not expand on it until we hear back from the OP and they ask further questions. Too often I see 20 posts that have great information but are only marginally related to the OPs question before the OP has even returned.

We are asking that if you have info that is not directly related to the OPs question, and you cannot wait for the OP to respond before you must share it with us .... open a new thread.

They are free and that way it is your thread to do with as you want.



Here is what I see


New member: Is a weather proof switch required in a bathroom?

First response: See code section XYZ

Next response: What color is the bathroom.

Next response: What is the make, model, serial number, color of the thing you are switching?

Next response: In East Pawtucket they require fans in bathrooms.

Next response: You did not phrase the question to my liking, why do posters never provide enough info?????

Next response: Take the switch to a test bench, connect it to Binford 6723 test-o-matic and check the Retro Encabulator output, it should be 0.00001 to 0.00002



The OP comes back, reads this and says I am outta here, I just asked a simple question. :jawdrop:



No one should take this personal and I fully admit that I am guilty of it as well. I am going to make an effort to change that and ask the same of you.

Thanks in advance for your consideration.

Bob
 

iwire

Moderator
Staff member
That is how many in person conversations go...I don't really expect it to be different in an online forum.
You are right that is how a regular conversation goes.

This is not a regular conversation unless you always have moderators watching over yours.
 

mbrooke

Senior Member
IMHO I think this is a good idea for new OPs. Many come in posting a simple question looking for a simple answer only to find their thread drifting off from the original question without adding value to it. This is not meant to knock on anyone, and to be frank I am guilty of doing it frequently- but I think this a good guideline to keep threads running smoothly while efficiently providing knowledge to original posters.

Now, to those who know each other and are long time posters I think we can do without this in my opinion. At least I don't mind the current posting climate in my threads- in fact I appreciate it as it adds new depth and insight. But for an OP looking for a simple on the job conformation I think it does scare people off.

Only my 2 cents. :)
 

ActionDave

Moderator
Staff member
I see iwire'so point and agree with him. Too many times an unimportant details get more attention than the meat of the question being asked.
 

ptonsparky

Senior Member
IMHO I think this is a good idea for new OPs. Many come in posting a simple question looking for a simple answer only to find their thread drifting off from the original question without adding value to it. This is not meant to knock on anyone, and to be frank I am guilty of doing it frequently- but I think this a good guideline to keep threads running smoothly while efficiently providing knowledge to original posters.

Now, to those who know each other and are long time posters I think we can do without this in my opinion. At least I don't mind the current posting climate in my threads- in fact I appreciate it as it adds new depth and insight. But for an OP looking for a simple on the job conformation I think it does scare people off.

Only my 2 cents. :)
I agree, we need to lure new OPs in a bit slower, play them longer with a bit more finesse before we SET THE HOOK!
 

mbrooke

Senior Member
I agree, we need to lure new OPs in a bit slower, play them longer with a bit more finesse before we SET THE HOOK!
:lol:

But in all seriousness I think we will attain many new members when we gain their trust that Mike Holt's forum gets the job done quickly and reliably. I don't mean to devalue this forum- but I think many people view online forums much like an app (myself included at times) wanting a quick and straight answer much like any other tool used on the job. Remember, its easy to get numbers out of a calculator or conduit fill from an app, but code questions are not something that can be answered without human intervention.
 

peter d

Senior Member

New member: Is a weather proof switch required in a bathroom?

First response: See code section XYZ

Next response: What color is the bathroom.

Next response: What is the make, model, serial number, color of the thing you are switching?

Next response: In East Pawtucket they require fans in bathrooms.

Next response: You did not phrase the question to my liking, why do posters never provide enough info?????

Next response: Take the switch to a test bench, connect it to Binford 6723 test-o-matic and check the Retro Encabulator output, it should be 0.00001 to 0.00002
That was pretty funny, but I enjoyed the "East Pawtucket" reference. :lol::lol:
 

JFletcher

Senior Member
Guilty... I know I tend to ask related questions on threads, tho some seem so straightforward that they don't merit a new topic...

If the OP doesnt provide enough info or asks a question open to different answers, it's often times necessary to ask questions on unmentioned specifics. Location/code cycle is one that comes to mind.

It would be nice too if new posters came back with answers/solutions to troubleshooting questions. Some do, however many do not. I find it mildly annoying when someone asks a question of that nature, gets a lot of good replies, but never responds back with which one or ones (if any) were the solution. I feel the least one could do is come back and post that and thank those who replied as they probably saved a $100+ service call from a more experienced electrician.

btw, the Retro Encabulators made before 1986 require 0.00005-0.00008, only the ones made after require 0.00001-0.00002 output, unless of course the Marzel Vane Compensators were ACME models, which have no adjustment. ;)
 

zbang

Senior Member
All that, but....

We need to encourage new members to write more clearly and to use less local jargon (and to use punctuation and paragraphs...). And to check back frequently because there will be questions. So many times a question is asked, which brings 3 or 4 relevant questions about the first (often to clarify), and the OP never comes 'round again to explain things. That leads to tangents....

It ought to go--
New member: Is a weather proof switch required in a bathroom?

First response: Probably not (section ###), but there might be a local code. What city/state are you in?

Even better would be-
New Member: Is a weather proof switch required in a bathroom? We're in East Undershoot, Vermont and Joe at the barbershop says it is but I can't find anything about that.


Maybe we need an equivalent of the reporter's checklist- who, what, when, where, how.
 

iwire

Moderator
Staff member
IMHO I think this is a good idea for new OPs. Many come in posting a simple question looking for a simple answer only to find their thread drifting off from the original question without adding value to it. This is not meant to knock on anyone, and to be frank I am guilty of doing it frequently- but I think this a good guideline to keep threads running smoothly while efficiently providing knowledge to original posters.
Thank you, you seem to understand what I have been strangling to put words too . (I am also guilty of it)

Now, to those who know each other and are long time posters I think we can do without this in my opinion.
Exactly, once someone has become a regular here things can certainly loosen up. :cool:
 

iwire

Moderator
Staff member
Guilty... I know I tend to ask related questions on threads, tho some seem so straightforward that they don't merit a new topic...
As we all are, it is tough. You might ask a simple related question and it might get answered in one post, another time you ask a simple question and it takes off into a heated debate. Now we can move posts but typically that becomes very hard as the posts become intertwined with on topic and off topic info.

I can tell you this, no one is happy when their post is removed or relocated. :D


If the OP doesnt provide enough info or asks a question open to different answers, it's often times necessary to ask questions on unmentioned specifics. Location/code cycle is one that comes to mind.
For sure.

At the same time I find that a few members here tend to cop an attitude with new posters that they feel have not provided the info needed. This is not acceptable. If you are one of these members that gets ... lets say 'irritated' over lack of info my suggestion is to simply ignore the post. Don't post complaining that there is not enough info.



It would be nice too if new posters came back with answers/solutions to troubleshooting questions.
It would be, but we can't expect that.

I find it mildly annoying when someone asks a question of that nature, gets a lot of good replies, but never responds back with which one or ones (if any) were the solution.
I agree.

I feel the least one could do is come back and post that and thank those who replied as they probably saved a $100+ service call from a more experienced electrician.
No argument from me, but if we post expecting that we will be disappointed.


btw, the Retro Encabulators made before 1986 require 0.00005-0.00008, only the ones made after require 0.00001-0.00002 output, unless of course the Marzel Vane Compensators were ACME models, which have no adjustment. ;)
Off topic. :lol:
 

iwire

Moderator
Staff member
zbang, please do not take the folowing as aimed at you, you just provided the quotes to work with. :)

All that, but....

We need to encourage new members to write more clearly and to use less local jargon (and to use punctuation and paragraphs...). And to check back frequently because there will be questions. .

All of that would be great but it is not required to participate here and I don't think it should be.



So many times a question is asked, which brings 3 or 4 relevant questions about the first (often to clarify), and the OP never comes 'round again to explain thingsThat leads to tangents....
By the others, not by the OP.

Let the OP run the thread and take it in the directions that want to go.

If the OP does not provide enough info for you to feel good in answering the best answer may well be no answer.




Maybe we need an equivalent of the reporter's checklist- who, what, when, where, how.
On one hand sure, on the other hand that just makes one more hurdle for a newbie that is already hesitant to post.

One thing I have always liked about this forum is the wide range of members it has. From top engineers to first day electrical apprentices and so many others in specialized jobs that really add to the depth of this forum.

Because of that I feel strongly that this forum should remain a comfortable place for beginners and to that end lets try to supply those newbies with info at their speed not ours.

For instance when you can see someone is struggling with some basic calculations that is not the time to get into a discussion of watts vs VA when that is not changing the results of the work.

Bob
 

mjf

Senior Member
That's all fine and well, but more importantly, did you install a timer to exercise your sump pump yet?:angel: :p
 

Strathead

Senior Member
Sometimes they just want to know what time it is, not how to build a clock. Or who invented them. :happysad:
With all due respect, I don't see that as the gist of this forum. (the following is just using this as a jumping point, not a direct argument against you.)

The forum is specifically for those in the trade, not laymen and sometimes the best information here is found in the diversion. As such, if the answer is simple, then the OP should be challenged to come up with their own answer, not simply answered. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. I am not trying to speak for the forum, but this is the way I interpreted the forum information years ago when it was presented to me by the great Dennis Alwon, a lowly moderator at the time. (Oops, not that is an off topic diversion)

This also isn't a disagreement with iWire's original post as I interpret it, which is more about straying off topic, not delving more deeply in to it.

OP: "How often do you have to strap conduit?"

Proposed answer, "What research did you do before you posted this question here?":p
 

dkidd

Senior Member
With all due respect, I don't see that as the gist of this forum. (the following is just using this as a jumping point, not a direct argument against you.)

The forum is specifically for those in the trade, not laymen and sometimes the best information here is found in the diversion. As such, if the answer is simple, then the OP should be challenged to come up with their own answer, not simply answered. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. I am not trying to speak for the forum, but this is the way I interpreted the forum information years ago when it was presented to me by the great Dennis Alwon, a lowly moderator at the time. (Oops, not that is an off topic diversion)

This also isn't a disagreement with iWire's original post as I interpret it, which is more about straying off topic, not delving more deeply in to it.

OP: "How often do you have to strap conduit?"

Proposed answer, "What research did you do before you posted this question here?":p
I can agree. Sometimes its tempting to respond with GIYF. (Or actually hard to resist) :ashamed1:
 

iwire

Moderator
Staff member
As such, if the answer is simple, then the OP should be challenged to come up with their own answer, not simply answered.
If it seems like homework questions I agree.

If it seems like a trade guy with a real issue I would hope we would just help, sometimes that help may be just where to look in the code book, or what supplier may have a part they need etc.

Your comments here are appreciated.
 

al hildenbrand

Senior Member
The forum is specifically for those in the trade, not laymen and sometimes the best information here is found in the diversion. As such, if the answer is simple, then the OP should be challenged to come up with their own answer, not simply answered. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. I am not trying to speak for the forum, but this is the way I interpreted the forum information years ago when it was presented to me by the great Dennis Alwon, a lowly moderator at the time. (Oops, not that is an off topic diversion)
Strathead, I like your summary, and want to expand just a bit.

I see Bob and the other Moderator's concern for paying attention to the original post's content. And yet, many original posts are worded such that a forum reader can not easily arrive at the same understanding of the original post as the next forum reader.

This "understanding", to me, is the heart and the art of this Forum. To me, the "intent" of the Forum is to derive meaningful understanding that can be shared, an understanding derived almost entirely from the printed word.

In practice, learning (the process of deriving meaning) generally includes risking asking questions. A first-day apprentice all the way to the credentialed electrical engineer professional engineer to the most seasoned inspector or Authority Having Jurisdiction, will, in my opinion, struggle with words in the course of asking a question about something that is not clear to the asker.

My recollections of my first posts way back last century was that my language was corrected. I simply was entering into the Forum community with a less-than-complete command of the defined terms from the NEC, and my personal use of words would give rise to all sorts of confusion, if responded to, and many times just was returned with additional questions. The freshest apprentice to the most seasoned Authority, when asking questions, can easily struggle with the terms used in the question.

I figured I would post this and let you know what some of the moderators are up to. There are a number of us that feel we have been letting threads drift too much and that is not great for the original poster (OP)

What I am asking is that we try to stay directly on the OPs question and not expand on it until we hear back from the OP and they ask further questions.
I like the idea of staying directly with the OP's question, because it will tend to better extract the nature of the learning that is being grappled with by the original poster.

ASIDE: I apologize for my thread jacks over the years, as I have been involved is some long ones.
 

jim dungar

Moderator
Staff member
During the last cold spell, I had the reason to 'search the web' for information on draining air out of my hydronic heating system.
I did not need to know how the air got into the water, I wanted to know how to get it out.
I did not need to know the advantages of alternative heating systems, I did not plan to replace what I just installed.
While I appreciated the information that 'automatic' air removal devices are available (contact a local plumber), the problem at hand involved the equipment that was actually installed.

This experience got me thinking about how we treat people who visit this forum and how useful our threads are to those who just stumble onto them.
 

Strathead

Senior Member
During the last cold spell, I had the reason to 'search the web' for information on draining air out of my hydronic heating system.
I did not need to know how the air got into the water, I wanted to know how to get it out.
I did not need to know the advantages of alternative heating systems, I did not plan to replace what I just installed.
While I appreciated the information that 'automatic' air removal devices are available (contact a local plumber), the problem at hand involved the equipment that was actually installed.

This experience got me thinking about how we treat people who visit this forum and how useful our threads are to those who just stumble onto them.
But isn't this example exactly what has you moderators close down a thread? To me this example is the poster child of a layman asking a DIY question.
 

al hildenbrand

Senior Member
But isn't this example exactly what has you moderators close down a thread? To me this example is the poster child of a layman asking a DIY question.
It is a "poster child" only because we know Jim Dungar to be who he is. A first day apprentice or a PE, both working in the Mechanical trade, could also ask this question, and it is within the Forum Rules of a Mechanical Forum.
 

Strathead

Senior Member
It is a "poster child" only because we know Jim Dungar to be who he is. A first day apprentice or a PE, both working in the Mechanical trade, could also ask this question, and it is within the Forum Rules of a Mechanical Forum.

And on that note, if you are an apprentice or especially a PE, information on automatic systems, and/or how the air got in to the system is exactly the kind of information you may want, even if you didn't know it going in.
 

ActionDave

Moderator
Staff member
And on that note, if you are an apprentice or especially a PE, information on automatic systems, and/or how the air got in to the system is exactly the kind of information you may want, even if you didn't know it going in.
But what happens instead is a new guy gets the drink from the fire hose treatment.
 

gadfly56

Senior Member
But what happens instead is a new guy gets the drink from the fire hose treatment.
You want to water the roses, not blast them out of the ground. If the OP says "Thanks! By the way, why do they...?" after his initial question is answered I suggest that's the time to display the gory details.
 

iwire

Moderator
Staff member
Look, I'm not saying don't EVER go to "the fire hose". Just, refrain until it ties in with the original posters later posts in that same thread.
:thumbsup:

Al, in your earlier post you took the time to apologize and while that was nice of you there is nothing you or anyone has to apologize for.

I do not think for a moment that anyone is trying to ignore the OPs, I think most if not all feel they are helping or at worst not thinking of the original question.

My goal is to make this forum a welcome place for a first day electrical student or trade member. :)
 

jim dungar

Moderator
Staff member
And on that note, if you are an apprentice or especially a PE, information on automatic systems, and/or how the air got in to the system is exactly the kind of information you may want, even if you didn't know it going in.
After the original OP has been satisfied, it makes perfect sense to expand upon the topic. We are simply asking that the unnecessary or off topic discussions be moved to a separate thread.
 

mgookin

Senior Member
Often to answer a question, five more questions have to be answered first.

Take the guy last week. "Do you need an emergency generator for a tornado shelter?"

Dozens of posts later we find out it's for an occupant load of 275 people.

By the context of this thread, nobody should have responded to his question because not enough information was given in the OP.

Color me confused. Maybe I'm not understanding this thread.
 

iwire

Moderator
Staff member
Color me confused. Maybe I'm not understanding this thread.
You are not and I am not surprised as you are one of the ones that almost always complains there is not enough info. :D

Try this, if it is a newbie and they have not provided the info you feel you need to comfortably answer the question move on to the next post. It really is that simple.

As a moderator I would rather you say nothing to a newbie vs giving them a hard time about what they have not provided.

No one is demanding you answer, the OP has not paid you for an answer.

I am not saying no one can ask a question of the OP, but do so nicely and keep it directly on the OPs topic.
 

K8MHZ

Senior Member
What I am asking is that we try to stay directly on the OPs question and not expand on it until we hear back from the OP and they ask further questions. Too often I see 20 posts that have great information but are only marginally related to the OPs question before the OP has even returned.

We are asking that if you have info that is not directly related to the OPs question, and you cannot wait for the OP to respond before you must share it with us .... open a new thread.

They are free and that way it is your thread to do with as you want.
That sounds.....logical.

If for some reason I ever get off topic in an untimely fashion, feel free to push me off to a thread of my own. I will understand and not be upset. Probably more embarrassed than upset, actually.

And speaking about embarrassed, one day when I was 17 working at a gas station in the summer, this girl walks in and........:angel:
 

zbang

Senior Member
zbang, please do not take the following as aimed at you, you just provided the quotes to work with. :)
No offense taken, they're just ideas to knock around.

I'm not sure how to double-quote so comments have context, so...

Re writing clearly-
Certainly shouldn't be a requirement, nothing would get done :lol:; maybe just part of some new-member suggestions.

And we simply say "I don't understand what you're saying" or "Did you mean bla bla bla?" and then wait for them to answer. Which leads into my entreaty that the OP actually checks back and participates in the topic. Ask-and-run is a recipe for tangents :D.

Maybe we need an equivalent of the reporter's checklist- who, what, when, where, how.
More of a recommendation; it just seems that lots of comments on newer members' posts are because they've left out important details, and it would be better to put them in at the get-go.

Because it's at least somewhat on-topic, I quote part of a poem:

Life Of A Partsman--
I work behind the counter
in an automotive store,
Sometimes I'm a "genius"
Sometimes I'm called much more
[...]
But life would be a pleasure
And I'd grin from ear to ear'
If the customer would only tell me
The Make, Model and Year.
 

jim dungar

Moderator
Staff member
Often to answer a question, five more questions have to be answered first.
...By the context of this thread, nobody should have responded to his question because not enough information was given in the OP.
Ask all the questions you feel are necessary to answer the OP properly. Of course you can lead them down the path to the correct solution.
Just don't head off onto unimportant areas.

For the tornado shelter. Ask questions, point out the 'it all depends on' issues. However stay away from things like the winding configuration of the generator until those things actually impact the OP.
 

romex jockey

Senior Member
As a premier electrical educational site i can understand the concern for common courtesy to noobs confronted with thread drift.

Perhaps they don't realize they're in front of a millennia of experience , much of which has not only fielded the same queries over and over, they've investigated the details of them.

Ergo, there's nothing malicious throwing the 'line' out for them , it's just a matter of making sure they take the bait...

~RJ~
 

ptonsparky

Senior Member
That sounds.....logical.

If for some reason I ever get off topic in an untimely fashion, feel free to push me off to a thread of my own. I will understand and not be upset. Probably more embarrassed than upset, actually.

And speaking about embarrassed, one day when I was 17 working at a gas station in the summer, this girl walks in and........:angel:
Well...what...was she tall...don't drop a leader like that then walk away!
 

__dan

Senior Member
...

What I am asking is that we try to stay directly on the OPs question and not expand on it until we hear back from the OP and they ask further questions. Too often I see 20 posts that have great information but are only marginally related to the OPs question before the OP has even returned.

We are asking that if you have info that is not directly related to the OPs question, and you cannot wait for the OP to respond before you must share it with us .... open a new thread.

...

Thanks in advance for your consideration.

Bob
Without reading the whole thread (I would respond to, how to purge air from a hydronic system. Install the circs in vertical runs of pipe, install a Spirovent Jr at a select high point near the boiler, look for and open the air bleeder valves if any at high points on the radiators, let it self purge).

Forum's have the potential to be an extension of one's thought process, an accessory method of information supply and processing. As with any human thought process, you would give it up if you saw how the sausages are made.

Person A's thought process: He does not know or care to. Historically and based on the probabilities, he guesses and has a high probability of guessing the wrong answer. A's Long lifetime of living with this system has caused him to adapt to his own method, for better or worse).

Person B's thought process: Through long professional experience and training, B has a good estimate of what he does and does not know. Things he does not know receive additional research and study so that when a decision or action is necessary, it is achieved by some routine and established process, such as the scientific method. Where guessing is necessary, B's deep professional experience and formal training yield a high probability of guessing the right answer.

Person C's thought process: C has to try drinking from the firehose, something normally inadvisable but C has to make a living and it may be his continued living requires this, trying to drink from the firehose. C's long lifetime of living with this system has caused him to adapt to his own method, with obviously messy and inadvisable consequences.

Person D's thought process. D is unaware of the existence of persons A, B, C, E, F ... but D's numerical superiority allow them to consistently vote their own kind into office or recruit their own kind into their fellow management ranks, making their limited thought process a moot point. D can win most numbers games without trying or any serious professional type work effort. D need only copy the work of another D and hand it in as his own, to make his living.

It is possible that an OP would know of and be able to filter the responses for all the different thought processes, or to choose only one subset of aggregate. Is it possible for the moderators to filter this naturally occurring and technology assisted phenomena.


.....


My own view, I feel I may exercise a control over what I write but I have no control over how it is read or interpreted. Occasionally I may play into this by writing something I know has more than one interpretation or reading. I make a point of not telling the reader how he should interpret or read what I would write. There will be more than one interpretation. Is it possible any reader would know this is my thought process when I would write something.
 

__dan

Senior Member
Forget about the whole thread. Did you even read the post that you quoted in your reply?

Read it yes, understand it no.

Let me guess. There is a perceived problem where newb posters may be scared off by ... here I have to guess ... some exposure to a range or spectrum of ordered and disordered thinking.

To relieve this condition ... let me guess again ... replies should either read the OP's mind and give him what he asked for (not what he may need) or alternatively, if you are not able to foresee what reply will encourage the newb OP, then post your reply in a new thread.

My brother installed a new boiler after extensively reading and posting on Heating Help. This was after I had done similar installs for myself and my other brothers. He ended up installing so much expensive and totally unnecessary crap, hydraulic separator, special PEX flow balancing manifolds. I kept saying stop, there's an easy and inexpensive way to to it, and he kept quoting some internet poster. Cost him at least $2500. in useless extra material.




Better to start with what is true and what is false. It may be false that any newb poster has been scared off by the normal range of replies on MH. Please produce as evidence at least one poster who has some complaint to make.

Certainly there are posters who would read here, recognize they don't have their thoughts ordered in a manner, and do not wish to expose this to others by posting. However that is not cited as the problem which requires some proposed mitigation. Disordered thinking in the posts has not been a problem. I would say it's somewhat expected.
 

jim dungar

Moderator
Staff member
Let me guess. There is a perceived problem where newb posters may be scared off by ... here I have to guess ... some exposure to a range or spectrum of ordered and disordered thinking.

To relieve this condition ... let me guess again ... replies should either read the OP's mind and give him what he asked for (not what he may need) or alternatively, if you are not able to foresee what reply will encourage the newb OP, then post your reply in a new thread.
This is an ideal example of what we are trying to reduce/prevent. Not being able to find the answer to the OP because the discussion is being steered into different direction.

The is nothing in the OP about new members or inexperienced posters (check out Post #1). Our request was too stay on the OP topic until it has been addressed. No where in this thread, has a moderator said 'do not ask questions of the OP'.

for example: In one case the OP was about a generator for a shelter. A proper answer would require additional questions. An improper answer would be to discuss generator construction for 400hz applications where the only power source available is liquid butane.
 

ActionDave

Moderator
Staff member
Read it yes, understand it no.

Let me guess. There is a perceived problem where newb posters may be scared off by ... here I have to guess ... some exposure to a range or spectrum of ordered and disordered thinking.

To relieve this condition ... let me guess again ... replies should either read the OP's mind and give him what he asked for (not what he may need) or alternatively, if you are not able to foresee what reply will encourage the newb OP, then post your reply in a new thread.

My brother installed a new boiler after extensively reading and posting on Heating Help. This was after I had done similar installs for myself and my other brothers. He ended up installing so much expensive and totally unnecessary crap, hydraulic separator, special PEX flow balancing manifolds. I kept saying stop, there's an easy and inexpensive way to to it, and he kept quoting some internet poster. Cost him at least $2500. in useless extra material.




Better to start with what is true and what is false. It may be false that any newb poster has been scared off by the normal range of replies on MH. Please produce as evidence at least one poster who has some complaint to make.

Certainly there are posters who would read here, recognize they don't have their thoughts ordered in a manner, and do not wish to expose this to others by posting. However that is not cited as the problem which requires some proposed mitigation. Disordered thinking in the posts has not been a problem. I would say it's somewhat expected.
This time I understood you, last post I didn't.
 

__dan

Senior Member
This time I understood you, last post I didn't.

Certainly my preference or comfort level is for the forum to be occasionally raucous and disordered. The thought process definitely ranges to trying to get a drink from the firehose. I prefer to see the posts that say hook up an oscilloscope and view the inductive kickback off the coil switching (with an eye on suppression methods).

On the job I am quick to call the factory engineer as soon as necessary. I place a high value on getting the expertise and advice I need in the easiest way possible, both communicating with technical experts and doing a lot of reading and searching to find them.

I'm also sure if the board tightened up too much, I would be one of the guys getting the posting ban. If I view reading and posting as an extension of my preferred thought process (I do), personally I already attempt to curtail or avoid thinking about things I do not wish as part of my thought process. I am a news reader (who avoids state and local news for example).
 

jim dungar

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Staff member
I'm also sure if the board tightened up too much, I would be one of the guys getting the posting ban.
We are not trying to tighten up anything. We are not discussing 'bannable' actions.

We are asking for new threads to be started so that more discussions can occur.
 

jaylectricity

Senior Member
I figured that, Al. Just seems silly in this thread for that whole conversation to be deleted. But whatever, mods do a pretty good job here so I'm not complaining.
 

winnie

Senior Member
I think I'd be a candidate for a 'reply with technical tangent' button right next to the 'reply with quote' button.

-Jon
 

__dan

Senior Member

You know of course that if the cars only race around the track in an orderly fashion, a thread about swapping in salvaged T 12 lamps into T 8 fixtures would only get 85 or so reads (though it's an interesting insight).

As soon as the cars start crashing into each other, that's when the thread will get another 300 reads daily until the crashing stops (how many phases in a single phase system?).

I could view the example as bringing more unique readers to your thread.:)
 

Luketrician

Senior Member
agreed

agreed

This thread pleases me..haha. I changed my location from Chattanooga to West Pawtucket btw, I hope that's okay.:D
 

bori

Member
Lost

Lost

Good afternoon. Yesterday 11/5/2017 I asked for some information regarding Aticle 700. I got my Journeyman's because Mr. Holt has a great program on which to acquire the knowedge and succeed the first time.I have been a member for more then 5 years..My post was brief and to the point..I have looked for my post but is nowhere to be found.Lost. Please helpme .Thank You
 

roger

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Staff member
Good afternoon. Yesterday 11/5/2017 I asked for some information regarding Aticle 700. I got my Journeyman's because Mr. Holt has a great program on which to acquire the knowedge and succeed the first time.I have been a member for more then 5 years..My post was brief and to the point..I have looked for my post but is nowhere to be found.Lost. Please helpme .Thank You
Is this the thread you are looking for

Roger
 

ActionDave

Moderator
Staff member
Good afternoon. Yesterday 11/5/2017 I asked for some information regarding Aticle 700. I got my Journeyman's because Mr. Holt has a great program on which to acquire the knowedge and succeed the first time.I have been a member for more then 5 years..My post was brief and to the point..I have looked for my post but is nowhere to be found.Lost. Please helpme .Thank You
It's there in the General Electrical sub forum

http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=187716
 
What do do?

What do do?


Next response: Take the switch to a test bench, connect it to Binford 6723 test-o-matic and check the Retro Encabulator output, it should be 0.00001 to 0.00002


Bob
That is just too funny. I am really in a bind because my Binford 6723 just blew its micro-gezortenhammer circuit and I can't find spare Finnegan pins for the Retro Encabulator anywhere.
 

ptonsparky

Senior Member
That is just too funny. I am really in a bind because my Binford 6723 just blew its micro-gezortenhammer circuit and I can't find spare Finnegan pins for the Retro Encabulator anywhere.
Check the for sale section, that and the engineering, at least a couple of those guys improved on the originals.
 
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