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dcspector said:
Is that offset listed for a wet location or even a damp? Can't tell if the service equipment is even under a porch , etc.
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Does it fall under Article 314?

314.1 Scope. This article covers the installation and use of
all boxes and conduit bodies used as outlet, device, junction,
or pull boxes, depending on their use, and handhole
enclosures. Cast, sheet metal, nonmetallic, and other boxes
such as FS, FD, and larger boxes are not classified as conduit
bodies. This article also includes installation requirements
for fittings used to join raceways and to connect
raceways and cables to boxes and conduit bodies.
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e57 said:
Not both sides? I usually use grounding lock-nuts inside - sealing nuts outside...
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Yup one side. If you think about it makes sense because the meter enclosure is bonded to the neutral, the panel will also be bonded to the neutral so bonding only one side of the service raceway will be all that's needed.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Look at the top of the page on the right there is a UL listed marked.

I use them all the time. Slip fitting on one side and locknut and bushing on the other. The slip fitting makes it easy to bed the conductors inside the enclosure as it does not protrude into it.
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Look again and see the little triangle thingy,.. it says not listed when that thing is there.. approved is not the same as listed ..

I would approve it if it were up to me,.. but 352.6 says "shall be listed" when you see how many PVC fittings we use are not listed , it makes you wonder what the point is??
 
M. D. said:
Look again and see the little triangle thingy,.. it says not listed when that thing is there.. approved is not the same as listed ..

I would approve it if it were up to me,.. but 352.6 says "shall be listed" when you see how many PVC fittings we use are not listed , it makes you wonder what the point is??
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I see said the blind man. That is bizarre. More than half the fittings on those pages are not listed.
 
infinity said:
Yup one side. If you think about it makes sense because the meter enclosure is bonded to the neutral, the panel will also be bonded to the neutral so bonding only one side of the service raceway will be all that's needed.
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Where does it say "One Side"???? Either side you pick would have to wouldn't it?
 
chevyx92 said:
Where does it say "One Side"???? Either side you pick would have to wouldn't it?
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It required to be connected to the grounded service conductor. [250.80]
It can be accomplished with any method listed in 250.92(B). Only one side requires bonding.
 
infinity said:
Yup one side. If you think about it makes sense because the meter enclosure is bonded to the neutral, the panel will also be bonded to the neutral so bonding only one side of the service raceway will be all that's needed.
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In one way (the way you describe it) yes - in an 'all paths', and impedance/choke prespective - no.... From that prespective both ends would need to be bonded, IMO 250.92 says "bonded together", not at one end or the other.
 
infinity said:
It required to be connected to the grounded service conductor. [250.80]
It can be accomplished with any method listed in 250.92(B). Only one side requires bonding.
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I see the words "electrical continuinty" and nothing about from one side or the other - my interpetation would be "electrical continuity" from enclosure - raceway - enclosure.... Much the way 250.64E is written and for the same reasons.
 
The meter enclosure is bonded to the neutral.

The panel enclosure is bonded to the neutral.

The service raceway is require to be bonded to the neutral.

Bonding at both ends is redundant and not required.

The object is not to connect the meter enclosure to the panel enclosure, it's to bond the raceway that contains the service conductors to either one. No where does it say that it requires bonding at both ends. It's only says that it requires bonding.
 
infinity said:
The meter enclosure is bonded to the neutral.

The panel enclosure is bonded to the neutral.

The service raceway is require to be bonded to the neutral.

Bonding at both ends is redundant and not required.

The object is not to connect the meter enclosure to the panel enclosure, it's to bond the raceway that contains the service conductors to either one. No where does it say that it requires bonding at both ends. It's only says that it requires bonding.
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Would you agree that the fault carrying capacity of the raceway is reduced, and impedance increased in your method?


I'm gonna point to a very old thread about GEC's but I feel the topic is relevent: (As the grounded SE conductor is the return path)
http://forums.mikeholt.com/archive/index.php/t-56665.html
 
Thanks Stick, I was trying to find this graphic from Mike:

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e57 said:
Thanks for the images - but this makes little sense as enclosures for GEC's are the exact opposite???? And that I am required to do it at both - and have been for dogs years.
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Metal raceways for GEC's must be bonded on both ends but what does that have to do with the nipple for the conductors?:-?
 
I had my boss (while I was still working in Memphis) send a bonding bushing with a guy on a service change with a PVC raceway. I caught him installing one on a service change that we did together and had to explain why we dont need to bond the PVC to the grounding conductor.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Metal raceways for GEC's must be bonded on both ends but what does that have to do with the nipple for the conductors?:-?
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Because of the words "Electrical Continuity" in 250.92 - no mention of only bonding one end in that article. And it has always been my understanding that it was for simular reasons - especially since I have been required to do it on every service with two or more enclosures for 18+ years....
 
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