Stackers you say??

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76nemo

76nemo

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Are the use of these Stackers some of you guys use have specific regulations? I guess they are seen as supported, yet not secured. I thought of trying them in a new job coming up. I have never seen them in our supply house, nor have I ever heard of them before hearing of them here.

How deep can you go and how far in between do they have to be stapled? If they are considered "secured", I am floored again:rolleyes:

Any specific methods and regulations that go along with them? I can't find any. In this project, they would be out of physical harm.
 
I use them in leiu of staples when I do use them.

Actually, I don't use all that many. Coming down the stud at multi-gang switch boxes and at the panel to secure the home runs for recessed panels. Those are the main times. Maybe a dozen or so in a 2000 square foot new home.
 
i like using stackers when i go down studs. personally it looks better to me and theres less of a risk of a crazy sheetrocker missing and hitting my wire. plus its easier to remove wire if you change plans later instead of a pair of dikes and prying a staple
 
You're just now going to "TRY" them? Decent sized job and I'll kill 4-5 bags...

Like anything else - neatness counts IMO. Also derating (310.15) if you get too crazy.

Anyway I plan out the whole job and find a soffit or somewhere to run sets of them and take all of the HR's out on them. Run up both sides of a stud bay with a whole bunch...

Got a thing for "securing" - or an Inspector who does? Put a zip tie around it on them....:rolleyes:
 
e57 said:
Got a thing for "securing" - or an Inspector who does? Put a zip tie around it on them....:rolleyes:
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I tried the zip tie technique, inspector called it bundling... :roll: So I just cut out every other one... he still wasn't too happy...
 
stickboy1375 said:
I tried the zip tie technique, inspector called it bundling... :roll: So I just cut out every other one... he still wasn't too happy...
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Zip tie technique?

Cable stackers--in my opinion-are the best way to go! Are you putting zip ties on the wires in the panel cabinet? This drives me nuts:mad: :cool: :smile:
 
stickboy1375 said:
I tried the zip tie technique, inspector called it bundling... :roll: So I just cut out every other one... he still wasn't too happy...
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Sure call it bundeling! Call it stacked , call it stacked and bundeled! Either apply and both in the same way - but not additive to each other. 310.15B2 applies only once..... :grin:

Is it supported? Secured? Stacked? Bundeled? Yeah! :grin:
 
e57 said:
You're just now going to "TRY" them? Decent sized job and I'll kill 4-5 bags...

Like anything else - neatness counts IMO. Also derating (310.15) if you get too crazy.

Anyway I plan out the whole job and find a soffit or somewhere to run sets of them and take all of the HR's out on them. Run up both sides of a stud bay with a whole bunch...

Got a thing for "securing" - or an Inspector who does? Put a zip tie around it on them....:rolleyes:
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Let me reitterate. Read my profile. The last thing I want is to be dealing with is the general public and residential work. I take side jobs and run my work cleaner if not OCD better than the next guy/woman. I don't have all the pic's you guys do. I mainly work on equipment, alot of times on board level. I am thinking of relocating and residential may be where I have to start.

Stackers? FR*G stackers, my work is done in pipe. If I choose to do the resi route, I would like to know where it stands. Is anyone here saying "Stackers" are considered "secured"???? I just need to know if they have limitations?????
 
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We are required to use them especially into the panels and in multi ganged switch banks I use them sparingly. Other than that staplegun city no finger bangers for me.
 
quogueelectric said:
We are required to use them especially into the panels and in multi ganged switch banks I use them sparingly. Other than that staplegun city no finger bangers for me.
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I use them like a drunken sailer on shore leave. They are worth the money. Set looks aside the most important thing is the integrity of the work, is it installed in a manor that it will function to it's peak performance for many years. Stacker's hold the wire neatly and safely and they are easy to use. What more do you need.
 
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Zip tie technique?

Cable stackers--in my opinion-are the best way to go! Are you putting zip ties on the wires in the panel cabinet? This drives me nuts:mad: :cool: :smile:
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I was talking about a zip tie around a cable stacker.
 
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acrwc10 said:
I use them like a drunken sailer on shore leave.
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LMAO I could think of another analogy or two equally fitting and just as inappropriate but concise - but why try to top that?!?! :grin: :grin:

76nemo, sorry i don't have you backround memorized but yes - to most stackers would be considered secured. (enough) And going into resi should not stear you away from pipe IMO - with a mix of both cable and pipe, resi and commercial are the same to me - I get along just fine depending on the circumstance....
 
If a factory guy is going to do anything besides fix machines in a factory, wiring a house should not be it. Wire houses for a little bit just to say you did it, and move on. You should get into service, which is where the talent is sorely lacking.
 
480sparky said:
If I have more than three cables coming down the stud, it gets a stacker. But I end up using only 8-10 per house.
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I guess we're about the same in that regard. I think I'd have to have a major talk with a guy that used bags full on one house, unless there was some special reason. No compelling reason to make artwork out of what's getting covered up.
 
mdshunk said:
I guess we're about the same in that regard. I think I'd have to have a major talk with a guy that used bags full on one house, unless there was some special reason. No compelling reason to make artwork out of what's getting covered up.
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The only other time I'll use them is if the stud cavity I need to run down is far too thin for bangin' on a regular staple. I use stackers that have the nail at a 45? angle, so I can get them into tight places when I need to. Some places I have no other choice, so I 'burn' two or three just to keep moving.
 
480sparky said:
The only other time I'll use them is if the stud cavity I need to run down is far too thin for bangin' on a regular staple. I use stackers that have the nail at a 45? angle, so I can get them into tight places when I need to. Some places I have no other choice, so I 'burn' two or three just to keep moving.
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I agree - when you don't have room to swing a hammer
between studs, stackers make things go a lot faster since
you're swinging from outside the wall.

3 types show up on our jobs - (1) red GB "Multicable Stables,
which GB says "secures NM/Romex", but really doesn't
hold the cable -- I usually only use these if I have a lot
of low-votage cables together. They are also the easiest
to add or subtract cables because there is a "snap" for
all four cable slots. (2) yellow Greenlee CA1 cable anchors
-- hold the cable the most securely, but are hardest to
get the cable in because the plastic is more rigid than
the other two and (3) pink 3M stack-it cable stackers which
are the original and hold the cable firmly enough, but
not as tight as the greenlee. If I have a choice I use
the GB for low-voltage because it holds the most LV
cables and is easiest to add/subtract and the Greenlee
for romex because it is most secure. Have used all three
on romex, and never had a problem. 10-20 per 2K sq ft
house is about what I use.
 
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I like the home made stackers.


They keep the cable away from the studs and they are free.
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