Stairway Lighting

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LarryFine said:
A stairway with a landing, which has no separate entrance onto the landing, is a single stairway with a landing, and only requires a single pair of 3-ways with one light or lighting group. Using two sets of 3-ways is optional, but not required.
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Or I could use two fixtures each controlled from a single pole on each floor. There is nothing in the NEC that requires that I can switch a particular fixture or group of fixtures from both floors.

Now of course the customer may not be impressed with two single poles but it would meet the NEC.:smile:
 
huh ?

Personally, I like my stairways illuminated by black lights, with alcoves at each landing for bean bag chairs. Of course, I'm not an expert on the code like the OP, so what the hell do I know.
 
iwire said:
Or I could use two fixtures each controlled from a single pole on each floor. There is nothing in the NEC that requires that I can switch a particular fixture or group of fixtures from both floors.

Now of course the customer may not be impressed with two single poles but it would meet the NEC.:smile:
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How about a fixture with two lampholders, with each one controlled by its own switch? How about . . .

I've seen that done in apartment buildings, which I believe is illegal if they're on separate services.
 
LarryFine said:
How about a fixture with two lampholders, with each one controlled by its own switch? How about . . .
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Sure. :D

I've seen that done in apartment buildings, which I believe is illegal if they're on separate services.
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Prove it! :D


It was common around here and keep in mind an electric meter does not a 'service' make. An apartment building might have 50 meters and it would still be one service.
 
iwire said:
It was common around here and keep in mind an electric meter does not a 'service' make. An apartment building might have 50 meters and it would still be one service.
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Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuse meeeeeeeeeeeee! :cool: :)D)

I remember reading about the practice, and there was a problem not being able to disconnect the entire fixture with a single action.
 
dwlamb said:
I've replied to the stairway lighting thread for everyones benefit.

Nothing personal to anyone, if the glove fits ?

Gentlemen,

To be straight forward with you all, it seems to me that several of you need a lot more training !

It doesn?t matter what your position is or what your ?Inspector? thinks !

Each of you ?should be able to Read & Understand this requirement?

As for myself, I received certification as at the Mater level in my 4th year of experience back in 1989.

The reason for my early success is that I studied and memorized the top 3000 test questions for the United States.

It proved worthy in that I became Licensed in Florida, California, & Hawaii all at the same time.

Then I became and still am an instructor, teaching all levels and areas of Electrical, including the NEC.

The primary purpose of the code is SAFETY ! ( Article 90.1 Purpose )

The reason that it is specified in 210.70 A 2 c, that ? there shall be a wall switch at each floor level , and landing level ( that includes an entry way,) is so that anyone ?entering? the stairway can turn ?ON? THE LIGHT(S) so they will not FALL !

?That includes an entry way? is the qualifying part of the statement.

So, if there is NO entry way, at the floor or landing, NO switch or control is required !

Only, where you ?enter? the stairway is control required.

Standard English Language, should also be ?common sense? !

All the other comment's that were stated are "nice" opinions, but, not what the "Code" is stating !

Obviously ? falling down the stairs is more dangerous than falling on a flat floor !

After you have grasp that!, then you will ( hopefully ) realize that any device that hinders the light from ?lighting? the stairs when someone ?enters? from any ? entryway ? at any point, Is not up to the ?minimum? standard and "primary" purpose of the NEC. ( 90.1 )

The purpose of all this is to light the stairs for SAFETY , when someone enters the stairs !

Anytime the stairs fail to be lit up when someone operates anyone of the control devices, there needs to be a repair ! Either it was wired incorrectly or the incorrect device(s) were installed !

If you can?t ( or won?t ) understand that, then maybe you ( or someone else ) should remove you from the trade or to a position that will not put people at risk.
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Hey I like this guy. He is angry and pissed off and he wants everyone to get it right. Lets hope he is right.
 
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