States that don't adopt the NEC

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I noted on the Electrical Safety Foundation website that there are 4 states have not adopted any version of the NEC.
In light of what I see with work done where permits and inspections are required, how do they justify not adopting the NEC?
 
Not commenting on accuracy, but the PDF link is much quicker to read, at least on a mobile device. You don't have to open each state individually just to glance and see who's on 2014, 2011, etc...

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It appears 2005 NEC is the oldest code cycle in effect for local jurisdictions in Missouri, and some Mississippi locals, without State adoption.

There is some Local-code adoptions that lag behind neighbor-State adoptions, but no one escapes the Insurance Adjuster (AHJ).

The insurance industry was defined as an Authority Having Jurisdiction (AHJ), in the FPN:, before 2005 NEC cycle, so they still rule everywhere.

"For insurance purposes", forensic adjusters are code inspectors, enforcers, and can define what is "approved", per 90.7 & 110.2. While courts rule on the industry's behalf, Insurance plaintiffs shape the law that denies claims with any code, license, or workers comp. illegality.

With local adoption for NEC compliance, the Mississippi supreme court demonstrated its advocacy for building code law by punishing Cities that issue permits during qualification violations or code negligence, Lowe v. Lowndes County Building Inspection Department, 760 So. 2d 711 (Miss. 2000).

This case is a model thru-out the country, for the judicial process that describes fire & building code negligence, and what happens to property-owner fools who hire unqualified contractors, and the building departments who permit them.
 
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Yes, in Illinois its by local adoption. I might have one project under the 2008 code, another under the 2011 code, and a third under 2014.

And it seems the NEC isn't good enough for Chicago, so they add rules like EMT for single family residential.

Actually, every town seems to think they have to make some corrections to the NEC, so we always have some version of the NEC adopted with various local amendments. Hard to keep track of, and IMO, most of the various amendments are usually a waste.
 
Yes, in Illinois its by local adoption. I might have one project under the 2008 code, another under the 2011 code, and a third under 2014.

And it seems the NEC isn't good enough for Chicago, so they add rules like EMT for single family residential.

Actually, every town seems to think they have to make some corrections to the NEC, so we always have some version of the NEC adopted with various local amendments. Hard to keep track of, and IMO, most of the various amendments are usually a waste.

MD is no better, except there is no Chicago comparison. Local adoption and the various amendments is really hard to keep up with.
 
Surely you know it has nothing to do with codes, and everything to do with adding hours to union labor.
If it were unions that lobbied to get the rules they now have definitely. If it were truly originally done in the name of safety, could still be that unions are involved in keeping it that way even if general consensus is that a change might be acceptable.
 
From what I found, those five states have what is called 'local adoption' of the NEC. Illinois is one of them.

https://www.nema.org/Technical/FieldReps/Documents/NEC-Adoption-Map-PDF.pdf
Illinois has adopted the 2008 NEC, but it only applies if there has not been a local code adoption. As far as I know there are no permits or enforcement by the state for the areas that have not adopted a local code. Originally I thought that the state adoption would require the local codes to be at least the 2008, but that is not the case and there are some areas using codes from the 90s.
 
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And it seems the NEC isn't good enough for Chicago, so they add rules like EMT for single family residential.
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Chicago has recently adopted the 2017 NEC with amendments...their amendments are about 150 pages long. And yes there is still very limited use of any cable wiring method.
 
Sounds like a bit of a muddle/fiddle/fudge to this ignorant Brit.
Isn't the N meant to be National?
 
Sounds like a bit of a muddle/fiddle/fudge to this ignorant Brit.
Isn't the N meant to be National?

Yes, but a Federal code would never here. There are good reasons for this.

I do not mind individual state adoption with amendments, a code that applies state wide-licenses should be that way also IMO.

It is when a state is broken into individual counties and cities/towns for adoption that is hard on electricians and contractors.

PS. Our building codes are based off our "lnternational" series of codes that only apply to the USA. We like to inflate our self importance.:D
 
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Yes, but a Federal code would never here. There are good reasons for this.

I do not mind individual state adoption with amendments, a code that applies state wide-licenses should be that way also IMO.

It is when a state is broken into individual counties and cities/towns for adoption that is hard on electricians and contractors.

PS. Our building codes are based off our "lnternational" series of codes that only apply to the USA. We like to inflate our self importance.:D
Thank you, Del Boy...............:D
But I still don't see sound regulations and practice can be considered appropriate for one county and not the next one over. Doesn't make sense to me but it is what it is.
 
Thank you, Del Boy...............:D
But I still don't see sound regulations and practice can be considered appropriate for one county and not the next one over. Doesn't make sense to me but it is what it is.

That is just it, counties near each other here vary little as a somewhat general rule, but given the size of our country , states can be vastly different as far as climate, seismic, terrain ,as such.

Methods appropriate to Massachusetts may not all be best in say Florida or Arizona. State amendments are appropriate IMO. The only thing common between those three states is that they all have an "a" in their spelling.
 
That is just it, counties near each other here vary little as a somewhat general rule, but given the size of our country , states can be vastly different as far as climate, seismic, terrain ,as such.

Methods appropriate to Massachusetts may not all be best in say Florida or Arizona. State amendments are appropriate IMO. The only thing common between those three states is that they all have an "a" in their spelling.
Good points if I may say so.
 
...Isn't the N meant to be National?

The word isn't in protected usage. Anyone can use it. The NFPA (National Fire Protection Assn) is a private corporation, and they publish the NEC, among other codebooks, and simply make their codes available to be adopted as law by government. Saves the governments a lot of work, actually.

We have lots of "National" banks, too. And a "National" League in baseball.
 
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