States that don't adopt the NEC

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MAC702 said:
The word isn't in protected usage. Anyone can use it. The NFPA (National Fire Protection Assn) is a private corporation, and they publish the NEC, among other codebooks, and simply make their codes available to be adopted as law by government. Saves the governments a lot of work, actually.

We have lots of "National" banks, too. And a "National" League in baseball.
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Not to mention the "World Series"...................:D
 
steve66 said:
... And it seems the NEC isn't good enough for Chicago, so they add rules like EMT for single family residential. ...
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MAC702 said:
Surely you know it has nothing to do with codes, and everything to do with adding hours to union labor.
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I always assumed that the Chicago code was a little overprotective because the city is a little paranoid about the possibility of another fire.

http://www.history.com/topics/great-chicago-fire
"The Chicago Fire of 1871, also called the Great Chicago Fire, burned from October 8 to October 10, 1871, and destroyed thousands of buildings, killed an estimated 300 people and caused an estimated $200 million in damages. Legend has it that a cow kicked over a lantern in a barn and started the fire, but other theories hold that humans or even a meteor might have been responsible for the event that left an area of about four miles long and almost a mile wide [~2000 acres] of the Windy City, including its business district, in ruins. ... "

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drcampbell said:
I always assumed that the Chicago code was a little overprotective because the city is a little paranoid about the possibility of another fire.

http://www.history.com/topics/great-chicago-fire
"The Chicago Fire of 1871, also called the Great Chicago Fire, burned from October 8 to October 10, 1871, and destroyed thousands of buildings, killed an estimated 300 people and caused an estimated $200 million in damages. Legend has it that a cow kicked over a lantern in a barn and started the fire, but other theories hold that humans or even a meteor might have been responsible for the event that left an area of about four miles long and almost a mile wide [~2000 acres] of the Windy City, including its business district, in ruins. ... "

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I think that does have some impact, though today's construction methods (even without any extra requirements that exist in Chicago) such a large fire isn't all that likely. Firefighting technology is completely different now as well.
 
Besoeker said:
Not to mention the "World Series"...................:D
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Hey, a Canadian has a shot at it every once in a while...

And some of our biggest stars are Japanese, Curacaoan, Venezuelan, Korean, etc.

What I find humorous is once Canada realized they were only big enough for one team, they shipped the Montreal Expos to our capital and they became "The Nationals."
 
MAC702 said:
Hey, a Canadian has a shot at it every once in a while...

And some of our biggest stars are Japanese, Curacaoan, Venezuelan, Korean, etc.

What I find humorous is once Canada realized they were only big enough for one team, they shipped the Montreal Expos to our capital and they became "The Nationals."
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LET'S GO, ASTROS!!!!!!!!! What a Series!!!!!! WOOO-HOOO!!!!!
 
Looks as though it is down to three states...
This is from NFPA
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AZ, MS and MO. I've done work in AZ, I think the fact that there is no statewide adoption is just a technicality, almost everything I worked on had to be to NEC standards. the exception I ran into was at mines, which is likely why they didn't adopt it so that there would be nothing interfering with basically the only industry they have.
 
Jraef said:
Looks as though it is down to three states...
This is from NFPA
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AZ, MS and MO. I've done work in AZ, I think the fact that there is no statewide adoption is just a technicality, almost everything I worked on had to be to NEC standards. the exception I ran into was at mines, which is likely why they didn't adopt it so that there would be nothing interfering with basically the only industry they have.
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I asked iggy, who works in mines in PA. He said the last version of the NEC that mines reference was 1968. Too funny IMO.
 
jumper said:
I asked iggy, who works in mines in PA. He said the last version of the NEC that mines reference was 1968. Too funny IMO.
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I think that anyone who has done electrical work at mines would agree that we'd rather see an AHJ following the NEC than an MSHA inspector... I once had a project red-tagged by MSHA because my truck didn't have rock guards over the headlights... Shut down the entire project for the day while I drove back to town (80 miles away on a dirt road) to find some.
 
Jraef said:
I think that anyone who has done electrical work at mines would agree that we'd rather see an AHJ following the NEC than an MSHA inspector... I once had a project red-tagged by MSHA because my truck didn't have rock guards over the headlights... Shut down the entire project for the day while I drove back to town (80 miles away on a dirt road) to find some.
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Ouch.
 
drcampbell said:
I always assumed that the Chicago code was a little overprotective because the city is a little paranoid about the possibility of another fire.

http://www.history.com/topics/great-chicago-fire
"The Chicago Fire of 1871, also called the Great Chicago Fire, burned from October 8 to October 10, 1871, and destroyed thousands of buildings, killed an estimated 300 people and caused an estimated $200 million in damages. Legend has it that a cow kicked over a lantern in a barn and started the fire, but other theories hold that humans or even a meteor might have been responsible for the event that left an area of about four miles long and almost a mile wide [~2000 acres] of the Windy City, including its business district, in ruins. ... "

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I am not positive, but I am pretty sure that electricity did not start the Great Chicago Fire. :happyno: There must be some other reason for the restrictive electrical requirements in Chicago.

I don't want to derail this thread, but the worst wildfire in recorded history occurred on the same day as the Chicago fire in Peshtigo, Wisconsin. Major fires also happened in Manistee, Holland, and Port Huron Michigan on the same day. :blink:
 
Residential EMT in Chicago.

Residential EMT in Chicago.

For better or for worse, wiring with conduit is far more amenable to future changes.

It is also better at reducing fire risk when wiring is overheated, although this shouldn't occur if wire and OCP are sized properly; but, things do go wrong, such as lightning strikes or home brew modifications.

That being said, however, I understand that some jurisdictions even require EMT for door bell wiring and telephone wiring. That, on the other hand, is off the wall, IMHO.
 
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