Step-by-step for connecting Time Clock and Photocell with lighting contactor in series and parallel?

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I would appreciate any help in creating a basic step by step process for wiring a timeclock and photocell in series with a lighting contactor and also wiring the same equipment but in parallel. Just want a good breakdown so in the future, I can determine which method would be best depending on the situation. Thank you in advance for any assistance and time put in to helping me with this.
 
I would appreciate any help in creating a basic step by step process for wiring a timeclock and photocell in series with a lighting contactor and also wiring the same equipment but in parallel. Just want a good breakdown so in the future, I can determine which method would be best depending on the situation. Thank you in advance for any assistance and time put in to helping me with this.
Why would you need a contactor?

Wire your timer then go the photocell then to the light. If the timer isn't calling for light then the sensor won't come on.

If you want one to override the other then you may need a contactor to be compliant
 
Why would you need a contactor?

Wire your timer then go the photocell then to the light. If the timer isn't calling for light then the sensor won't come on.

If you want one to override the other then you may need a contactor to be compliant
First off, thank you for the quick response and input. We do larger warehouses and some jobs that call for lighting contactors, most the time it's usually a 6 or 12 pole lighting contactor just being told when to engage from the timeclock or photocell.

We usually use an Intermatic digital timeclock and then the typical photocell. I wire the timeclock, so it has power at all times and then take a small jumper from the timeclock power feed to the timeclock line side which is where I also land the line side of my photocell. Then off the load side of the timeclock and photocell, I make a joint and run a single wire to the contactors coil.

I have seen people saying they do it similar, and some that do it a different way so I just wanted to see what other people would do in this situation. Thanks again for any information on this!
 
Why would you need a contactor?

Wire your timer then go the photocell then to the light. If the timer isn't calling for light then the sensor won't come on.

If you want one to override the other then you may need a contactor to be compliant
In most cases because photocells have a much lower rating than the circuit ampacity. They are also source specific. People go out and retrofit lights with LED for example, and don't realize that an photocell for an LED is specific.
 
In most cases because photocells have a much lower rating than the circuit ampacity. They are also source specific. People go out and retrofit lights with LED for example, and don't realize that an photocell for an LED is specific.
Do you think that how I described in the thread above on how I connected them is what you would do or recommend? I was under the assumption that the way I described is Parallel. I am not entirely sure on how the process would be if I wanted to wire these in Series, and what the difference in operation would be. Once again, thank you for any input on this.
 
I believe in series would mean that both photocell and timer would need to be activated for the light to work. In parallel would be that either the timer or the photocell would turn on the lights.
 
Series -feed your time clock then over to your photocell or motion sensor then to your contactor and from there to all the lights.

Parallel-- feed both time clock and photocell then the load side of both would go to the contactor. Either one would turn the lights on
 
Welcome to the forum.

You need to determine how you want the system to operate.

1. The timer overrides the photocell to keep lights off during certain dark times.

2. The photocell overrides the timer to turn lights on during certain dark times.

3. A manual switch to decide which device controls the lights.
 
Yes but usually would go to photocell 1st and then to switch (not motor) of time clock, because of photocels that turn light on when energized
No, Dennis has it right. The whole purpose of a contactor is that you don't feed the lights directly from the photocell. Perhaps you didn't interpret that Dennis meant the coil of the contractor.
 
Welcome to the forum.

You need to determine how you want the system to operate.

1. The timer overrides the photocell to keep lights off during certain dark times.

2. The photocell overrides the timer to turn lights on during certain dark times.

3. A manual switch to decide which device controls the lights.
Just to mess it up. A hand-off-auto to determine the contactor function.
 
No, Dennis has it right. The whole purpose of a contactor is that you don't feed the lights directly from the photocell. Perhaps you didn't interpret that Dennis meant the coil of the contractor.
Actually @readydave8 is correct, the way @Dennis Alwon is commonly done, because the time clock power is coming from the common switch terminal, and has to be removed and wired to the 24 hour hot. The problem with putting the photocell after the time clock, is the lights will flash on, then off as the photocell is charged if it is not already dark.
 
The contactors are electrically held, what you said previously was what I was trying to understand. The issue when you do feed the line side of the photocell off the line side of the timeclock, and what would be the best alternative wiring method to resolve this issue to where both the timeclock or photocell still controls the lights.

Thanks for your input and knowledge, and trying to help me understand this type of situation better.
Another issue is, are the contactors electrically held? Or latching? If latching, you will need to add a spdt relay to control latch and unlatch.
 
The contactors are electrically held, what you said previously was what I was trying to understand. The issue when you do feed the line side of the photocell off the line side of the timeclock, and what would be the best alternative wiring method to resolve this issue to where both the timeclock or photocell still controls the lights.

Thanks for your input and knowledge, and trying to help me understand this type of situation better.
Usually they are wired photocell on, time clock off. Mainly for loads such as parking lot lights, signs that turn off at closing. Photocell automatically adjusts for cloudy days, and shorter days. The time clock will be set to turn on earlier in the day, either first thing in the morning when employees or customers arrive in the morning, then the photocell turns them off at daylight, then back on at dark. Unless you are using a two pole time clock, the clock power wire will need to be removed from the terminal, the photocell stays hot, with the load wire going where timer power was terminated, then the load side of the time clock will go to contactor.
 
The issue when you do feed the line side of the photocell off the line side of the timeclock, and what would be the best alternative wiring method to resolve this issue to where both the timeclock or photocell still controls the lights.
What do you want the photocell to do to modify what the timer would be doing?

Are these interior or exterior lights?
 
Yikes! Typical ground up or down response. :rolleyes:

Let's take this logically. First you have to decide on how you want the control to work.

You need to determine how you want the system to operate.

1. The timer overrides the photocell to keep lights off during certain dark times.

2. The photocell overrides the timer to turn lights on during certain dark times.

3. A manual switch to decide which device controls the lights.
Tell us which or something different.

Then keep in mind that the photocontrol and timeclock motor or electronics need to have power supplied to them at all times which means the black on the photocontrol comes first with the red switch leg from it feeding the time clock contacts. The power to the timeclock is supplied separately.

-Hal
 
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