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georgestolz said:
I was at the supply house the other day, and the gal behind the counter said that Square D combos were available, and she was ordering a single box of them.
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Better be one biiiiiig box!....:)
 
Unless they're building houses in your area at break-neck speeds, you probably won't actually need a combo to install until February at the earliest. If a permit were pulled January 1st, it seems like it would be at least Feb and beyond before you'd be installing breakers. I guess a service call to add a circuit in an existing bedroom might need one in January.
 
I have one!!!

I have one!!!

I have a SQD Combination Type 1pole-15 amp AFCI circuit breaker.


It is actually a demonstration model that Alan Manche sent me so I can show it in class. It has clear plastic casing so one can see the "guts" of the breaker...it is kind of cool looking. It is hard to imagine they can pack so much stuff in a CBer housing.
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
I have a SQD Combination Type 1pole-15 amp AFCI circuit breaker.


It is actually a demonstration model that Alan Manche sent me so I can show it in class. It has clear plastic casing so one can see the "guts" of the breaker...it is kind of cool looking. It is hard to imagine they can pack so much stuff in a CBer housing.
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Is it actually UL listed and could it be installed.....????


I thought not......it does not count then. :grin:
 
mdshunk said:
If a permit were pulled January 1st, it seems like it would be at least Feb and beyond before you'd be installing breakers. I guess a service call to add a circuit in an existing bedroom might need one in January.
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Cavie tells us FL does not care when the permit was pulled and that he will require the combo AFCIs Jan 1st 2008.
 
One thing is for sure - the sluggishness of the manufacturers in delivering this technology they're trying to cram down our throats is definutely creating headaches all it's own. I imagine most everybody in this area doesn't really have a rock solid game plan about how this will be handled, and that's all on the manufacturers, IMO.
 
georgestolz said:
One thing is for sure - the sluggishness of the manufacturers in delivering this technology they're trying to cram down our throats is definutely creating headaches all it's own.
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No doubt.......did I mention I have never installed an AFCI. :grin:
 
Supply vs. demand?

If Square D (or any other supplier) is the only one to have a Combo unit on the market by Jan.1, I wonder what the price will be.

I'm betting big $$$$$$$$.

steve
 
iwire said:
Is it actually UL listed and could it be installed.....????


I thought not......it does not count then. :grin:
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Such a rush to judgement...and I thought you New Englanders were slow...ah slow to judgement. :wink:

It is a listed and functional device. They are pretty cool looking too - that is the display model.

CH is also sending me a display model for the class.
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
It is a listed and functional device. They are pretty cool looking too - that is the display model.
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It has a listing label on the display one?

If you want credit, you need to have someone take a picture of you holding the breaker, and then a picture of it installed inside a panel. A closeup of the label would be a bonus.

If you do that, you'll win the contest. :D
 
georgestolz said:
If you do that, you'll win the contest. :D
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Not quite. I believe Bob said that someone needed to (a) purchase one, (b) hold it in his/her hand, and (c) walk out of the store with it.

:)
 
I am not looking for any kind of credit, as I did not purchase this device. Not only that, I am not even sure if they are available at the supply houses around here yet.

I was just conveying the point that they are "physically" being built. I am curious why they have not been shipped yet...wonder if the manufacturers are having any issues with them???
 
Pierre,
I am curious why they have not been shipped yet...wonder if the manufacturers are having any issues with them???
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I expect it is because they can't make them work. Just like the original proposals, they made promises based on what they thought they could do and when they tried to do it, they found that they couldn't. Remember that the original proposals for AFCIs, submitted some 13 years ago, promised a device that does what they now claim the combination device does.
Don
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
I was just conveying the point that they are "physically" being built.
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I would say the fact you held a model of one in your hand has nothing to do with a work-able, list-able, sell-able one. :)

If they had work-able, list-able ones I am sure they would be getting out to the supply houses. The manufacturers have spent much $ on this, I am sure they are anxious to see some return on that investment.
 
Bob,
If they had work-able, list-able ones I am sure they would be getting out to the supply houses.
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Actually Square D was the first to have a listed combination AFCI, some 4 years ago,(9/5/03) but just the fact that they have a listed product does not mean that they have a functional one. At this point in time Eaton, Square D, Siemens and GE have listed combination AFCIs.
Don
 
Bob,
Don, my point was for whatever reason they are not selling them for use yet.
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I am not disagreeing...my point is that just because they have a listed product doesn't mean that they have a product that works (it passed the requirements, but that doesn't mean it works in the real world). Square D has had theirs listed for over 4 years and it seems very obvious that they didn't have one that works 4 years ago and apparently still don't, or as you said, they would be trying to sell them.
Don
 
Square D has them listed on their web site, at least QOs and HOs.

But I have yet to hear of a confirmed sighting in the field.
 
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