Strobes in ADA living and bathroom units

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NFPA 72 has a requirement for visible notification appliances candela level to be 177cd if the strobe is mounted less than 24" from the ceiling and minimum 110 cd if the strobe is mounted more than 24" from the ceiling. How about the living rooms and bathrooms in ADA units? What is the candela level required?I looked in ADA code but wasnt able to find it. I am thinking of putting a strobe that covers the required area. Any help would be appreciated.
 
shortcircuit1 said:
NFPA 72 has a requirement for visible notification appliances candela level to be 177cd if the strobe is mounted less than 24" from the ceiling and minimum 110 cd if the strobe is mounted more than 24" from the ceiling. How about the living rooms and bathrooms in ADA units? What is the candela level required?I looked in ADA code but wasnt able to find it. I am thinking of putting a strobe that covers the required area. Any help would be appreciated.
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IIRC, strobe devices are not even required in bathrooms or living rooms. If they were, standard coverage would be sufficient. Strobe devices were mandated for ADA; only sleeping areas get special treatment.
 
gadfly56 said:
IIRC, strobe devices are not even required in bathrooms or living rooms. If they were, standard coverage would be sufficient. Strobe devices were mandated for ADA; only sleeping areas get special treatment.
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If thats the case if someone is either in the living room or bathroom and there is a fire in the building how would a hearing impaired person would know if the notification device installed in those rooms is horn only?
 
shortcircuit1 said:
NFPA 72 has a requirement for visible notification appliances candela level to be 177cd if the strobe is mounted less than 24" from the ceiling and minimum 110 cd if the strobe is mounted more than 24" from the ceiling. How about the living rooms and bathrooms in ADA units? What is the candela level required?I looked in ADA code but wasnt able to find it. I am thinking of putting a strobe that covers the required area. Any help would be appreciated.
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There is a misnomer often associated with this, and I fell in to it for years, until I had to design a motel fire alarm. First it all depends on your State codes, but in the state of Florida, you are required to have a certain number of accessible ADA rooms and you are required to have a certain number of hearing impaired rooms. There are more hearing impaired rooms than accessible rooms. You are allowed to have rooms that are both and are counted toward the total of each, but this isn't required. And when you think about it, it makes sense. Not all deaf people are in wheel chairs and vice versa.
 
shortcircuit1 said:
If thats the case if someone is either in the living room or bathroom and there is a fire in the building how would a hearing impaired person would know if the notification device installed in those rooms is horn only?
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Can we roll back a second and ask, is this residential or hotel/motel?
 
shortcircuit1 said:
This is a residential unit.
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OK, if this a a one- or two-family home NFPA 72 does not address the installation of strobe devices for notification as a requirement. NFPA 72 does have something to say "if provided", but doesn't mandate it. Your jurisdiction may have something else to say. Also, if the residence is in an apartment building, other requirements do apply.
 
gadfly56 said:
OK, if this a a one- or two-family home NFPA 72 does not address the installation of strobe devices for notification as a requirement. NFPA 72 does have something to say "if provided", but doesn't mandate it. Your jurisdiction may have something else to say. Also, if the residence is in an apartment building, other requirements do apply.
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In the OP it says it is an ADA unit. That implied to me that it was designated such by an AHJ i.e. local code.
 
gadfly56 said:
OK, if this a a one- or two-family home NFPA 72 does not address the installation of strobe devices for notification as a requirement. NFPA 72 does have something to say "if provided", but doesn't mandate it. Your jurisdiction may have something else to say. Also, if the residence is in an apartment building, other requirements do apply.
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This is a multifamily building with some of the units being ADA.
 
gadfly56 said:
Rental units or condos?
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What does that matter? If the units are identified to be ADA compliant, whether by the AHJ, local code, or specification by the owner/design team, then the units are designated that way. Rather than make it difficult for the OP, let's address his issue from that perspective.

As I stated, Accessible and hearing impaired are two different things. So first, make sure the entire unit needs to be set up for hearing impaired, if so...

Strobes within 15 feet of the place where the head rests. Full visual NAC coverage per NFPA 72 throughout the unit, and don't forget a visual doorbell. Still requires standard audio NAC, including low frequency sounder bases after 2010. Simple as that.
 
Strathead said:
What does that matter? If the units are identified to be ADA compliant, whether by the AHJ, local code, or specification by the owner/design team, then the units are designated that way. Rather than make it difficult for the OP, let's address his issue from that perspective.

As I stated, Accessible and hearing impaired are two different things. So first, make sure the entire unit needs to be set up for hearing impaired, if so...

Strobes within 15 feet of the place where the head rests. Full visual NAC coverage per NFPA 72 throughout the unit, and don't forget a visual doorbell. Still requires standard audio NAC, including low frequency sounder bases after 2010. Simple as that.
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It makes a huge difference. For a rental unit, it's required. If you own it, it isn't and it's up to the homeowner. You can't force a private residence to be ADA compliant.
 
gadfly56 said:
It makes a huge difference. For a rental unit, it's required. If you own it, it isn't and it's up to the homeowner. You can't force a private residence to be ADA compliant.
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Once again, the OP was asking what happens in the other rooms of an ADA unit, he didn't ask whether an ADA unit was required. How about we answer his question.
 
gadfly56 said:
It makes a huge difference. For a rental unit, it's required. If you own it, it isn't and it's up to the homeowner. You can't force a private residence to be ADA compliant.
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These are all rental units. Even if these are condos you have to provide some units to be accessible per code.
 
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