swimming pool clearance

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jimalone

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gentlemen, i have problem findind answer.
how much clearance do you need over pool for
net-work powered communication system conductors.
thank you
 
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Who owns / controls the conductors?

The NEC may not apply to those conductors.

90.2 Scope.

(B) Not Covered. This Code does not cover the following:

(4)Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive control of communications utilities located outdoors or in building spaces used exclusively for such installations
 
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See 680.8(B) Not less than 10ft above swimming and wading pools,diving structures, and observation stands, towers, or platforms. With respect to who controls the conductors, if this is a new pool and there are existing overhead conductors that are a hazard I doubt the AHJ would issue a permit without arrangements being made for the utility to re-locate.
 
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Originally posted by grant:
With respect to who controls the conductors, if this is a new pool and there are existing overhead conductors that are a hazard I doubt the AHJ would issue a permit without arrangements being made for the utility to re-locate.
Under what authority? :p
 
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Originally posted by jimalone:
what about 830-10?
830.10 would only apply if the the NEC applies to this equipment. If the equipment is under the control of a utility it is not subject to the NEC.

See my post above and 90.2(B)(4)
 
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680.8 (B) & (C), it does not matter who owns the
conductors, overhead conductors over a pool must
comply with 680.8, either move the pool or contact the owner of the conductors, the pool must comply with 680.
 
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If the pool is existing and the utility swings wires over it the AHJ can do nothing about it by way of the NEC. That is short of requiring the pool filled in.

IMO 90.2(B)(4) is very clear and it is not a gray area.
 
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Under what authority? The authority of the building department to issue a permit for a pool. Its only common sense if there is a hazard because of conductors passing over the area where you want to build a pool either you pay the utility to move them if they can or you don't build a pool. I would be surprised if any building department would issue a permit for a pool to be built where a hazard was present that was not either going to be removed by some agreement between the builder and the owner of the hazard, or was going to be corrected during the pool installation, because the hazard came under the jurisdiction of the building department, be that electrical or otherwise. Just because utility company distribution systems are not covered by the NEC does not mean you build without addressing their effect on a construction site.
 
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Originally posted by grant:
The authority of the building department to issue a permit for a pool.
It is a very tricky issue, here the permit to build a pool in a specific location would not be run by the electrical inspector before the permit to build the pool is issued.

The stuff would perhaps hit the fan on the electrical inspectors first trip to the sight when they notice the wires.

At that point the permits are already out and the pool is in or on the ground.

True the electrical inspector could hold up the inspection until either the wires or the pool are moved.

However the electrical inspector has no authority to force the utility to move the wires, they can ask the utility to move the wires and they might or the utility can tell them to go pound sand. ;)

If the utility runs the wires over an existing pool that has already passed inspections I see no way that the AHJ could do anything about it.
 
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you are missing the point, the new pool has to comply with 680, if the utility co. will not relocate there wires, then the pool moves, and how would an inspector know if a utlilty decides to install overhead conductors over an existing pool?
 
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Originally posted by mpd:
you are missing the point, the new pool has to comply with 680, if the utility co. will not relocate there wires, then the pool moves,
Yes in a perfect world.

Originally posted by mpd:
and how would an inspector know if a utility decides to install overhead conductors over an existing pool?
The opening post in this thread is vague, we do not know if this is a new pool going in or a existing condition.
 
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