T-12 Ballasts

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So I heard a T-12 ballast could fire up a T-8 Lamp. Is this acceptable?

For instance, say I have a 2 X 4 fixture that has 4 lamps and (2) 2 lamp ballasts. One of the ballasts goes bad so only 2 lamps are lit now. Is it acceptable to replace the bad ballast with a 2 lamp T-8 ballast, leave the other 2 lamp T-12 ballast in place, and make all the lamps T-8's? So now I would have 2 of the
T-8's running off a T-8 ballast and the other 2 T-8's running off of a T-12 ballast.

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Why would you do this?

I wouldn't do it, I believe a T-12 ballast is for a T-12 lamp and a T-8 ballast is for a T-8 lamp.

I got in an argument with someone who wanted to save money on a job by doing this. I asked him the same question you asked me.

I would like to back up my argument with facts which is why I am asking.

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When running into these fixtures with 2- t12 ballasts for 4 lamp fixtures when time to replace ballast I just go to a 4 lamp t8 ballast.
 
I wouldn't do it, I believe a T-12 ballast is for a T-12 lamp and a T-8 ballast is for a T-8 lamp.

I got in an argument with someone who wanted to save money on a job by doing this. I asked him the same question you asked me.

I would like to back up my argument with facts which is why I am asking.

Thanks

How much is saved after factoring in things like possible early ballast failure, possible lower efficiency or lower performance?

I do know it will light the lamps as I have seen it done, but do not know exactly what the consequences are, but the T8 ballast was not designed to drive a T12 lamp and there likely is some consequences.

That said I don't even think the later generation T12 ballasts did a very good job of driving later T12 lamps, seems like a lot of those late generation T12's had short life compared to older ones, both lamps and ballasts. In an effort to make them more efficient I think they did suffer in performance.
 
Look at the specifications of the T-12 ballast and of the T-8 lamps. The manufacturer's instructions for the T-12 ballast will call out the number and type of T-12 lamps that it can drive. No mention of T-8 will generally be found, even if the ballast was produced after T-8 lamps had been introduced.
I do see older T-12 fixtures with older T-8 lamps plugged in all the time, with no obvious ill effects. But that may depend on both the ballast and the lamp.
In particular, I believe that the newer energy saving varieties of T-8 tubes cannot be properly used with T-12 ballasts. (Just as some special varieties of T-12 cannot be used with standard T-12 ballasts.)
 
Use a 4-lamp T8 ballast & T8 lamps, mixing T8 lamps with T12 ballasts is a bad practice that will lead to callbacks.
 
In post #1 the OP is wanting to install one T-8 ballast for two new T-8 lamps and install T-8 lamps on the other good existing T-12 ballast not putting T-12 lamps on a T-8 ballast.

The problem I have seen is even if the T-12 ballast is rated for the two F32 T-8 lamps they will not burn at the same brightness or color can be off, I have also seen that the T-8 lamps do not last as long because they are being hit with a higher voltage that it takes to ignite a T-12.

Any time I get a ballast failure today since T-12s are not manufactured anymore (only existing stocks are being used up) that it very worth while to just upgrade the fixture to all T-8 lamps, F-32 watt T-8 lamps will generally produce more light, the newer electronic ballast do not use high voltage to ignite the lamps, they use high frequency (25kz) to do the same job with less energy, another nice feature is they are mostly a parallel ballast which means if one lamps fails the rest of the lamps stay lit, the wiring of the newer electronic 4-lamp ballast are much simpler as they only have five or six wires to the lamps depending upon the manufacture, most Sylvania/Motorola electronics have six wires on their electronics others have five, two yellows, two reds, two blues as seen in this diagram:

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The 5-wire 4-lamp ballast just has one yellow for all the yellows at the one end.

converting it only takes connecting both wires at each lamp ear together then connecting it as shown in the diagram on the ballast or above, just make sure you match the blues to the same two lamps you connect to the one yellow and the same for the red.

A two lamp electronic T-8 ballast will only have 3 wires going to the lamps, either one red and two blues or two reds and one blue, the wire color that is only on one wire goes to the older yellows and the two wires of the same color goes one each to the other end of the lamps (old red and blue wires) as shown in the diagram below:

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trust me 6 wires is allot easier to wire them the 10 that older 4-lamp ballast had, or three wire in the case of a two lamp.

Another nice feature is a 4-lamp electronic can also be used for a 3-lamp fixture by just not using one of the red or blue wires, and a 2-lamp ballast can replace a single lamp ballast and most of them now can be supplied from 120v to 277v will allow you to only stock two types on the truck and cover almost all 1-lamp to 4-lamp fixtures that are on any voltage from 120v to 277v which is what I had started doing on my van, I would keep 4 of each type on the van for service calls.

But as others have said, for the little extra cost of a 4-lamp ballast I would just install a 4-lamp electronic so at least you wont be called back because of the difference in light output that running two T-12's on one type of ballast and two lamps on the older T-12 ballast, just tell the customer that T-12 lamps and ballast will be disappearing from the shelves soon anyway so it would be better to just upgrade both now with a single 4-lamp ballast, trust me the extra cost of a 4-lamp over a two lamp is not that much more, at one time Menard's had them priced the same.
 
One point to make:

if the customer has each ballast in each fixture switch seperately for when they don't need the full briteness then install two two-lamp ballast, otherwise just install a 4-lamp ballast.
 
T8 lamps in T12 = bad idea. It either doesn't work or you burn out the ballast.

T12 lamps in _electronic_ T8 isn't correct, but will work. The T12 lamps will operate at about 50% output. It's not a good match and lamps wear out sooner than they're designed for and the light quality will be that of whatever T12 lamps you use.

Most legacy T12 systems are coil and core magnetic. They're precisely tweaked so that the lamps only start after the filaments are sufficiently warm, but the starting performance is terrible if it gets below 50F or 60F(for the energy saver lamp) so I doubt it will reliably start T8 lamp. If it does, the PFC capacitor and coil will go out of tune and it will get pissed off and start flashing. T12 electronic service ballasts used to spot-replace ballasts in a T12 system will start T12 lamps, but the lamps will be over-driven to a BF of over 1.5, ballast will operate at over-wattage and fry the ballast prematurely. They're only used today for specialty applications (black lights for entertainment industry) or service use to avoid having two types of lamps in one area.

You might recall that T8 ballasts can take 17, 25 and 32W lamps. This works by shrinking/stretching the tube. You'll see that nominal watts/foot remain about the same. There's even a 40W 5' T8. Ballasts that do allow them generally only allow one less lamp, for example 3 lamps on 4 lamp ballast.

4' T8 on T12 electronic = ballast + lamps will fail prematurely.
4' T12 on T8 ballast. The ballast sees it the same as running a 3' T8 or a 25W/48" T8. T12 lamps would be operating under "dimmed" conditions without cathode heater, so the ends will blacken fairly quick.
 
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