T&B's deck gromet

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iwire said:
The rule in MA is the inspector of wires must accept listed equipment when it is installed per its listing.
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Does the inspector consider plugging the cord of a listed product in above the drop ceiling to be within the listing of the product?
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
Does the inspector consider plugging the cord of a listed product in above the drop ceiling to be within the listing of the product?
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You would have to ask them, what do the instructions indicate?

What was the product designed for?


I think you know I am not a fan of rubber cord and push article 400 strongly here on the forum however things seem to be going shades of gray vs black and white
 
Looking at the installation instructions for the deck grommet, I am a little bit uneasy locating it at the middle of the run of a deck board between joists rather than close to a joist. You are cutting away more than half of the material of the board, and the clamp provides only minimal reinforcement for the board around the cutout opening. The bending strength of the board has to be affected.
 
So you feel safer with the homeowner cutting a hole in the deck and running an extension cord through it.....umm ok.

I see this as something the electrical inspector will never see....this is an after market type product in my mind that will be added to a deck long after the home is complete and to be quite frank about it....I like the dang thing as an alternative to what I know many people do....simply cut a hole and pull an extension cord through....at least this evokes an installation process, exposed cords that is not being enclosed in the structure...hardly top on my list of concerns personally.

Do i think I would ever encounter one on a deck for an electrical inspection....honestly...nope.....might a service guy install one after the fact....Yep.

Debate 400.8 all we would like but the fact is it is probably UL Listed (even without the cord attached) and based the installation instructions I fail to see the hazard. Just my thoughts on it...
 
MasterTheNEC said:
So you feel safer with the homeowner cutting a hole in the deck and running an extension cord through it.....umm ok.

I see this as something the electrical inspector will never see....this is an after market type product in my mind that will be added to a deck long after the home is complete and to be quite frank about it....I like the dang thing as an alternative to what I know many people do....simply cut a hole and pull an extension cord through....at least this evokes an installation process, exposed cords that is not being enclosed in the structure...hardly top on my list of concerns personally.

Do i think I would ever encounter one on a deck for an electrical inspection....honestly...nope.....might a service guy install one after the fact....Yep.

Debate 400.8 all we would like but the fact is it is probably UL Listed (even without the cord attached) and based the installation instructions I fail to see the hazard. Just my thoughts on it...
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I agree, this product is aimed more at the homeowner than the electrical professional and more likely will never be seen by an AHJ.The company does however manufacture a similar product (DKG-Pro) that appears to be a permanently installed unit designed to be connected to fixed wiring.
 
iwire said:
Christmas / Holiday lights are not inspected either but the NEC still has rules for them.
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I have seen 2 instances where an electrical inspector failed final inspections (Cambridge and Boston) due to the installation of holiday lighting. 1 in an office and 1 in a restaurant.

For that matter there are rules governing the installation of flexible cords as stated in other posts.

IMO the holiday lighting mentioned in 590 is unnecessary language and might be better placed in 410.
 
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