Ok your in Jersey, i am in a small town here in Jersey, My rates are based on overhead, and operating costs, not some guess, they are about in the middle, not too high, and not in the dirt, however, we have a large number of guys, that charge with the wind, if they think, they may loose a job, they panic, and start seeing how low they can go, win at all costs, loose as much as it takes, then there was the group, that said you can't get your prices around here, that changed about two years ago, when a few new guys moved in town, and started charging twice, what the others were charging, and they are getting the lions share of the work, they are always busy, and their guys are working overtime, so that blows the idea of you cant charge too much, most of the ones that were lowering prices, to get work, are not in business anymore.