taking over work done by another engineer

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Ingenieur

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It says to "attempt to injure" ... "the professional reputation, prospects or business of anyone"

The statements are only prohibited if there is intent.

(2) To attempt to injure falsely or maliciously, directly or indirectly, the professional reputation, prospects or business of anyone.

it does not say intent, it says attempt (which could be intentional or unintentional)

it's easy to interpret any way you like
but a board/court/arbitrator will decide if a complaint/suit is filed, not you or I

I posted the link
you read into what you like
I'll err on the side of caution and what is morally right to me
 

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Sounds like once the first engineer is no longer working on the project, you can slander him all you want.

Ok, maybe you can't go that far, and I really wouldn't recommend criticizing another engineers work, but I'm not seeing how that paragraph applies once the first engineer has bee let go.

lol, no you can't, but you can REVIEW without giving notice though

they are separate
you may not speak negatively of the work of an engineer that you have no work in common with

you can't go to a client and badmouth the engineer
many professions you can do this: advertising, sales, etc.
 
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lol, no you can't, but you can REVIEW without giving notice though

they are separate
you may not speak negatively of the work of an engineer that you have no work in common with

you can't go to a client and badmouth the engineer
many professions you can do this: advertising, sales, etc.
You are perfectly free to criticize the work or the engineer under section 2 as long as your criticism is not false and is not malicious in intent. If, for example, you are just trying to save lives, go for it.
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You are perfectly free to criticize the work or the engineer under section 2 as long as your criticism is not false and is not malicious in intent. If, for example, you are just trying to save lives, go for it.
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no you aren't
if you are doing it to a client without his knowledge it is malicious
just fix it

there is no 'false', only professional opinion
you are assuming you are 'right' and he is 'wrong'
only a board/court/arbitrator can determine that
not the guy seeking or doing the work
just say nothing and 'fix' it
 

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I'll err on the side of caution and what is morally right to me

That's something I appreciate and enjoy about the licensed engineering profession, that everyone is expected to abide by the Code of Ethics.
If not they can be called out by having a complaint filed.
Of course that's not to say everyone abides, but I think the vast majority do.
 

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That's something I appreciate and enjoy about the licensed engineering profession, that everyone is expected to abide by the Code of Ethics.
If not they can be called out by having a complaint filed.
Of course that's not to say everyone abides, but I think the vast majority do.
I agree, most do
when you look at disciplinary actions they are very small in number

as far as technical aspects of the work, shortcuts are seldom taken: no reason to, the client is paying and you only incur liability for doing so
an old engineer once told me: save the client some money at bid time, soon forgotten...have a problem or lawsuit after completion, NEVER forgotten

when economic times are rough the biggest issue is supplanting (or attempting to) another engineer
it's a very delicate area, advertising, cold calling, selling services, etc.
 

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That's something I appreciate and enjoy about the licensed engineering profession, that everyone is expected to abide by the Code of Ethics.
If not they can be called out by having a complaint filed.
Of course that's not to say everyone abides, but I think the vast majority do.

I will simply note, without malice, that licensed attorneys in nearly every state have to kick into a fund that helps repay clients who are injured by the fraudulent acts of their lawyers. In NJ it's $50/yr. Licensed engineers don't have to do that.
 

Ingenieur

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I will simply note, without malice, that licensed attorneys in nearly every state have to kick into a fund that helps repay clients who are injured by the fraudulent acts of their lawyers. In NJ it's $50/yr. Licensed engineers don't have to do that.

but they are required to carry E&O and liability insurance in most (all?) states
attorneys do not afaik
 

gadfly56

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but they are required to carry E&O and liability insurance in most (all?) states
attorneys do not afaik

They are now in NJ

5 BE IT ENACTED by the Senate and General Assembly of the State
6 of New Jersey:
7
8 1. On and after January 1, 2016, every attorney who, pursuant
9 to applicable Rules of Court, is permitted to practice or appear in
10 court, and is engaged in the private practice of law in this State
11 shall, as a condition to practice, either maintain a policy of legal
12 malpractice liability insurance coverage that is obtained from an
13 authorized insurer transacting business in that line of insurance
14 under Title 17 of the Revised Statutes or from another authorized
15 insurer, or be covered under a policy obtained from an authorized
16 insurer that is maintained by a professional corporation, company,
17 or partnership under which the attorney and others engage in the
18 private practice of law. Under the legal malpractice liability
19 insurance policy, the minimum amount or limit of coverage for
20 damages resulting from any claim made against an attorney, or a
21 professional corporation, company, or partnership, shall be
22 $100,000 per attorney covered by the policy, unless a greater
23 minimum amount or limit of coverage is instead established by
24 Rules of Court in which case the policy shall comply with that
25 minimum, but the total amount or limit shall not be required to
26 exceed $5,000,000. The New Jersey Supreme Court may adopt any
27 Rules of Court it deems necessary to implement the purposes of this
28 section.
29
30 2. This act shall take effect immediately
 

Ingenieur

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2016 lol took a while
So for 1.5 yrs it's been required
how long has it been required for engineers?
perhaps that is why the $50 fund
insurance costs MUCH more than $50/year
 
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gadfly56

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2016 lol took a while
So for 1.5 yrs it's been required
how long has it been required for engineers?
perhaps that is why the $50 fund
insurance costs MUCH more than $50/year

Yeah, somehow it was FAR more important that some 18-year old driving a 10-year old beater cough up $2,500/yr just in case he had an accident. Apparently the lawyer handling a million dollar estate, or someone's assault charge, couldn't ever do as much damage.
 
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