Tamper proof receptacle

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MAC702 said:
Well, you didn't ask what MIGHT be a good idea. You asked what would piss off old people.

"Good" ideas and "well implemented" ideas are not mutually inclusive arguments.
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Our AHJ requires it in restaurant and in ages 65 or older. They ammended nec section to allow it as far as i am told. I suppose we have lots of upset old people then ....

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codequestion said:
Our AHJ requires it in restaurant and in ages 65 or older. They ammended nec section to allow it as far as i am told. I suppose we have lots of upset old people then ....
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The 2017 Code aside, TR receptacles were introduced to keep toddlers from sticking something like a bobby pin into the slots of the receptacle. I'm 71 and I can assure your idiot AHJ that I have no intention of sticking anything into the slots of a receptacle that I don't fully know the consequences of. Likewise I have never seen a toddler crawling around the few areas of a restaurant that have receptacles that would be accessible to them.

-Hal
 
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With all due respect

The ultimate goal is to provide a level of safety for all... Being familiar with "some" adults losing many of their motor skills as well as some fighting with fading mental agility, couldn't we assume safety is of paramount concern? If we consider only safety, installing GFCIs and tamper proof receptacles are equally as important on both ends of the age scale. The very nature of tamper proof receptacles is why they are an effective safety measure.
 
shockmate said:
The ultimate goal is to provide a level of safety for all... Being familiar with "some" adults losing many of their motor skills as well as some fighting with fading mental agility, couldn't we assume safety is of paramount concern?
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Tell me how inserting a plug into a receptacle can be dangerous then tell me how a TR receptacle is going to fix that. Sounds like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

-Hal
 
MAC702 said:
It was a problem very easily and cheaply solved already for anyone who needed it, long before it became mandatory for those of us who didn't.

10 cents a piece:
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But with those, sighhhhh, we have a choking hazard.

shockmate said:
The ultimate goal is to provide a level of safety for all... Being familiar with "some" adults losing many of their motor skills as well as some fighting with fading mental agility, couldn't we assume safety is of paramount concern? If we consider only safety, installing GFCIs and tamper proof receptacles are equally as important on both ends of the age scale. The very nature of tamper proof receptacles is why they are an effective safety measure.
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hbiss said:
Tell me how inserting a plug into a receptacle can be dangerous then tell me how a TR receptacle is going to fix that. Sounds like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

-Hal
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The reason for the requirement AFAIK was to protect against kids inserting objects into a rec and getting injured.

FTR, I've whined about this before, but here it is again.....

I have no beef w/ them being required in a school, daycare etc, but I am against the code blanket requiring them in homes.
Imo it is something that should be left up to the owner- they have kids and/are concerned and want these devices, more power to them. If they don't want them, then thats their choice-its their home and their family.:)
 
user 100 said:
If they don't want them, then thats their choice-its their home and their family.:)
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Can't one make same claim for anything code requires us to use?

Let's not put in overcurrent protection - owners don't want to lose power just because load was too high for the conductors or when they plug in that appliance they tried to fix themselves and left it with a short circuit or ground fault condition:blink:
 
kwired said:
Can't one make same claim for anything code requires us to use?

Let's not put in overcurrent protection - owners don't want to lose power just because load was too high for the conductors or when they plug in that appliance they tried to fix themselves and left it with a short circuit or ground fault condition:blink:
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OCPDs are different- we need those everywhere.

Mandated Tamper resistant recs, millions of which will be installed in homes that will never house any children- not so much.
Yes, the house could be sold later to family with kids, and at that time the buyers can make the determination- whatever the case, still think it needs to be left up to whoever owns the dwelling.
 
kwired said:
Can't one make same claim for anything code requires us to use?

Let's not put in overcurrent protection - owners don't want to lose power just because load was too high for the conductors or when they plug in that appliance they tried to fix themselves and left it with a short circuit or ground fault condition:blink:
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Yes, in many cases off topic to this thread.

But to equate it with overcurrent protection is a hyperbole that really doesn't make sense.
 
hbiss said:
Tell me how inserting a plug into a receptacle can be dangerous then tell me how a TR receptacle is going to fix that. Sounds like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

-Hal
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:happyyes: I'm not referring to the act of plugging in a common cord set. I'm talking about a person with a lapse of mental judgment sticking a foreign object into it, like a butter knife. Assisted living facilities often work with elderly folks suffering from dementia or similar mental struggles.
 
MAC702 said:
Yes, in many cases off topic to this thread.

But to equate it with overcurrent protection is a hyperbole that really doesn't make sense.
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I don't know, I kind of see the point yet this change does seem to make more sense then some in recent years.

If there was significant statistical data showing that it will reduce deaths or injuries then it is worthwhile IMO.

I still am not convinced the AFCI will reduce as many fires as they claim it will, GFCI protection of dwelling unit dishwashers was required for the wrong reasons, all that comes to mind at the moment but I know there are other questionable requirements in recent years.
 
kwired said:
...If there was significant statistical data showing that it will reduce deaths or injuries then it is worthwhile IMO. ...
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I personally know people with insufficient strength to use them. And these are people with many, many years of living on their own left in them. One is just a frail older person, and the other has debilitating arthritis. Good thing they already own their houses and aren't planning to move into a new one.
 
FWIW, they can have someone plug a short pigtail extension or cube tap into the receptacle and leave it there. Not necessarily code compliant, but not subject to inspection.
Or maybe an inline switch module?

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MAC702 said:
I personally know people with insufficient strength to use them. And these are people with many, many years of living on their own left in them. One is just a frail older person, and the other has debilitating arthritis. Good thing they already own their houses and aren't planning to move into a new one.
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I have run into some spec grade receptacles (non TR) that are not so easy to plug things into as well.

Some of those same people you better put those receptacles at least 3-4 feet AFF or they aren't going to plug anything into it themselves anyway.
 
GoldDigger said:
FWIW, they can have someone plug a short pigtail extension or cube tap into the receptacle and leave it there. Not necessarily code compliant, but not subject to inspection.
Or maybe an inline switch module?

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MAC702 said:
Yes, there are workarounds to many of the ignorant idiocies in the Code.
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Shushhhhhh guys.... don't let them in on that one....they'll find a way to make TR mandatory for those too...:D
 
shockmate said:
:happyyes: I'm not referring to the act of plugging in a common cord set. I'm talking about a person with a lapse of mental judgment sticking a foreign object into it, like a butter knife. Assisted living facilities often work with elderly folks suffering from dementia or similar mental struggles.
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That's ridiculous. This is the very same liberal imagination that got TR receptacles pushed through to begin with. Like AFCIs, have either been proven to have saved even ONE life?

-Hal
 
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