Tamper Resistant Receptacles

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Since the 2008 NEC, Section 406.11 requires "listed tamper resistant receptacles", what kind of options do we have to selecting receptacles? The ones I've seen from Pass Seymour require the use of plugs with a grounding connections. Are there any device choices for accommodating two prong plugs that we find on double insulated devices, small power supplies like we use for our cell phones and for typical floor lamps?
 
czars said:
The ones I've seen from Pass Seymour require the use of plugs with a grounding connections. Are there any device choices for accommodating two prong plugs that we find on double insulated devices....?
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You're kidding right? All three pins required... :rolleyes: Are you sure - physicalyl know this - first hand?

I'm so thankfull that I don't have to deal with this code....
 
The ones I've seen from Pass Seymour require the use of plugs with a grounding connections.
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I don't believe that is right. I believe that the P&S receptacles will work with two wire plugs.

Here is a link to a document on P&S tamper resistant receptacles.

Chris
 
I believe the neutral side prong is the actuator to open the hot side shutter? I believe the distinction "tamper proof" used the EGC pin to actuate........but what do I know?:smile:
 
iwire said:
There are no tamper proof receptacles, just tamper resistant and I doubt any of them need a ground pin to operate.
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That is my thoughts too. It doesn't make very much sense to make a receptacle that won't work for a non-grounded appliance or cord.

Chris
 
Looking at the ROC that required these devices, there were about 85 comments, but only one in support of the proposal and that was by the original submitter. There was an interesting sentence in his comment.(18-47)
The receptacle was mounted to allow lateral movement to prevent binding of the plug upon initial insertion.
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This was part of the submitters response to complaints of excessive force being needed to insert a plug into these receptacles. Their testing to show that only a slightly greater forces is required is based on having the receptacle mounted in a manner that permits lateral movement of the receptacle. Does this mean we can't tighten the mounting screws when these devices are installed?
Don
 
Haven't tamper proof receptacles been around for a long time? If I remember correctly they've been required in pediatric health care facilities for a number of years. They still haven't perfected them?
 
A friend of mine did a number of day-care places back about 10 - 12 years ago, and he told me then that they used tamper resistant receptacles (per spec)
 
infinity said:
Haven't tamper proof receptacles been around for a long time? If I remember correctly they've been required in pediatric health care facilities for a number of years. They still haven't perfected them?
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I installed a couple dozen of them about 7 years ago. Church school had specified them for certain classrooms. I remember they required the ground pin to open the shutters. But the design may have changed since then.
 
480sparky said:
I remember they required the ground pin to open the shutters.
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I mean no offense but I find that very hard to believe that they would not work with a two prong plug.

I have been installing Hubbell hospital grade tamper resistant receptacles in many locations going back about ten years and they would work with a two prong plug.
 
iwire said:
I mean no offense but I find that very hard to believe that they would not work with a two prong plug.

I have been installing Hubbell hospital grade tamper resistant receptacles in many locations going back about ten years and they would work with a two prong plug.
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No offense taken. My memory's not what it used to be, but I recall we were all talking about the ground pin being required to open. I also recall the brand & model were spec'ed by the architect. But since my memory's not what it used to be, I don't remember that. We all thought it was odd the ground pin was required and wondered what they were going to do if they had a 2-prong cord end.

FYI, my memory's not what it used to be.:)

FWIW, The architect on that job spec'ed pilot light switches for the classroom lights, but we talking him into illuminated switches instead. We also educated him about his choice of 'keyless pullchains!'
 
czars said:
Since the 2008 NEC, Section 406.11 requires "listed tamper resistant receptacles", what kind of options do we have to selecting receptacles? The ones I've seen from Pass Seymour require the use of plugs with a grounding connections. Are there any device choices for accommodating two prong plugs that we find on double insulated devices, small power supplies like we use for our cell phones and for typical floor lamps?
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To make them work PUSH HARDER !
Merry Christmas :smile:
 
what exactly is the new code? new construction homes need the tamper receptacles, does that mean also that an addition to a house will also need them?
 
ferrarotomvfjr said:
what exactly is the new code? new construction homes need the tamper receptacles, does that mean also that an addition to a house will also need them?
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I don't have my '08 code with me, but pretty much all receps required in 210.52 will need to be tamper resistant. Any new homes or additions built after your jurisdiction adopts the code will require them. JMHO.
 
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