Tamper resistant receptacles...

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chevyx92 said:
Are you serious? Caring maybe but careful? Careful is not the word when that happens to their child. If so then they were not careful enough. JMO.
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I am not gong to debate that one, we are both entitled to our opinions on that.
 
chevyx92 said:
Thats just another product we have to spend money on when GFI's or GFI protected receptacles have been the thing for decades.
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I'm not getting into this, again, but you have the wrong outlook on this. I look at it as a way to make more money not spend more money.
 
mdshunk said:
Reminds me of an old cartoon:

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Marc

Where do you find all of the things you find??
I am watching the Giants and starting choking as I am lurking/surfing. :D :D
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
Marc

Where do you find all of the things you find??
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I have my finger on the pulse of the industry! :D

No, seriously, that's on Jim Phillip's website. I'm pretty sure he's a member here. He writes for NEC Digest a lot. Lots of fantastic free articles on his site. His "Design Guide" is great.
 
iwire said:
This is just a personal opinion but the code should try to be easy to understand and enforce. It is much easier to just say all dwelling unit receptacles then to write an code section with yes here, here and here but not here, and here.

I will not be surprised at all if all 120 volt 15 and 20 amp receptacles will be required everywhere in the next code cycle.
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Your kidding, right ? the code does that everywhere now
 
mdshunk said:
I have my finger on the pulse of the industry! :D

No, seriously, that's on Jim Phillip's website. I'm pretty sure he's a member here. He writes for NEC Digest a lot. Lots of fantastic free articles on his site. His "Design Guide" is great.
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Got a link?

RC
 
Lets face it folks, it's just another example of the manufacturers of these receptacles looking to make a fortune on them by shoving them into the code book and thus making us install them. I am listening to the numbers that have been tossed out there but we all know that anyone can make the numbers say what they want them to say. It is far too easy to just throw every one of these 2400 reported cases under a single umbrella and use that as an example. I'm sure that many of them had much more to the story such as poor or no parental supervision, lack of common sense from the parents-babysitters-other responsible parties, or for that matter, how many may have been caused from actual broken receptacles? For years and years every parent in America would install the plastic inserts into standard receptacles and thus make them child proof. Apparently what has happened is that the kids have gotten smarter over the years and this is no longer a suitable safety measure? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for safety as much as the next guy, but at what point does it end? We have become a society where there is no longer any personal accountability or use of common sense so then it becomes the responsibility of professionals like us to make the world idiotproof.
 
racerdave3 said:
<snip> For years and years every parent in America would install the plastic inserts into standard receptacles and thus make them child proof. <snip>
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Just out of curiosity, do you have children? After the birth of my daughter, inserting those plastic inserts into every unoccupied receptacle that was plausibly within reach of a child was one of the first things we did. The first thing she did after learning to walk was figure out how to take them back out. Kids play with anything and everything while they grow up, mine used to even pull all the little rubber plugs off the ends of the doorstops. I don't care how caring and careful you are - you cannot watch them every second, and that's all it takes for them to poke an object into a live receptacle. I am not at all in favor of many of the recent "improvements" to the NEC, but I have no problem at all with this one. If I could have installed them 20 years ago when my daughter was a toddler, I would have. That would have been caring and careful.
 
Mike03a3 said:
Just out of curiosity, do you have children? After the birth of my daughter, inserting those plastic inserts into every unoccupied receptacle that was plausibly within reach of a child was one of the first things we did. The first thing she did after learning to walk was figure out how to take them back out. Kids play with anything and everything while they grow up, mine used to even pull all the little rubber plugs off the ends of the doorstops. I don't care how caring and careful you are - you cannot watch them every second, and that's all it takes for them to poke an object into a live receptacle. I am not at all in favor of many of the recent "improvements" to the NEC, but I have no problem at all with this one. If I could have installed them 20 years ago when my daughter was a toddler, I would have. That would have been caring and careful.
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Just adding my two cents. I think it's a good requirement. In my opinion the potential for death comes standard in every room of every house a child may live in. I don't believe a parent should be required to modify a receptacle (ie plastic plug) to issure it is safe. Since a receptacle is required to be in the room your child be occupying it is resonable it should be child proof.
 
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